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Old 06-27-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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If Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional, will Romneycare be automatically unconstitutional, too?


Or will this decide a separation of State and Federal control?
And what about the unfunded mandate that is Medicare Part D, the prescription drug plan you have to join at the outset or pay a penalty if you decide to opt in later?

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How much is the Part D Penalty?

The cost of the late enrollment penalty depends on how long you went without creditable prescription drug coverage.
The late enrollment penalty is calculated by multiplying 1% of the "national base beneficiary premium" ($31.08 in 2012) times the number of full, uncovered months you were eligible but didn't join a Medicare drug plan and went without other creditable prescription drug coverage. The final amount is rounded to the nearest $.10 and added to your monthly premium.
The national base beneficiary premium may increase each year, so the penalty amount may also increase every year.



Medicare Part D is prescription drug coverage insurance that is provided by private companies approved by Medicare.
This seems the same as the O-care mandate- buy the insurance, or pay a penalty, your "choice". I can't see why Part D shouldn't end up in front of the Supremes just like O-care has.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If Romney wins it won't matter, once he is President he will have the authority to sign in Romneycare on a federal level.

Obamacare will come back eventually, in one form or another. If it comes back in the form of Romneycare it has a much better chance of passing.
Why are you so confident of this? What if it comes back in the form of tort reform and being able to sell insurance across state lines?
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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Why are you so confident of this? What if it comes back in the form of tort reform and being able to sell insurance across state lines?
I think it's pretty obvious that Romney supports Romneycare.

I don't see that changing with him becoming President. If anything, as President he will have the authority to sign it into federal law, something he didn't have as Governor.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I think it's pretty obvious that Romney supports Romneycare.
That's a nice subjective argument.

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I don't see that changing with him becoming President. If anything, as President he will have the authority to sign it into federal law, something he didn't have as Governor.
Wow, he'll sign his own law through executive order I take it?
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:58 AM
 
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I think it's pretty obvious that Romney supports Romneycare.

I don't see that changing with him becoming President. If anything, as President he will have the authority to sign it into federal law, something he didn't have as Governor.


Except for the fact that the entire issue is the federal government overstepping its bounds. If the SC rules such unconstitutional, then he will be out of luck in terms of achieving your comment. The point is state authority versus federal authority and while a state may be able to implement such (within the bounds of their own state constitution), the federal government can not. Their powers are specifically limited here, which is the entire issue. If the federal government can exceed its bounds , then there is no point of a state, its own constitution and the entire design of our country.

We are not ruled by a single authority (feds), we are each individual states to which are only constrained by the very specific authority the federal government has as is outlined by the US Constitution. If it is not specifically identified as a power of the federal government, then it is left to the states and the people therein.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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If Romney wins it won't matter, once he is President he will have the authority to sign in Romneycare on a federal level.
He will not.. Once its ruled unconstitutional its unconstitutional on a federal level.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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He will not.. Once its ruled unconstitutional its unconstitutional on a federal level.
The poster is an Obama supporter. To him, all the ruling will mean is that Obama would have to assert his executive powers to overrule the court.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Does Romneycare require people to buy insurance?
No, only requires the "free riders" to be "responsible".

"Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others"
- Mitt Romney, July 2009
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:41 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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If the Supreme court rules tha the Govt. cannot mandate payments then why should we pay ANY mandated payments eg house tax, car insurance, income tax or any payments that the Govt. mandates?
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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If the Supreme court rules tha the Govt. cannot mandate payments then why should we pay ANY mandated payments eg house tax, car insurance, income tax or any payments that the Govt. mandates?
they are mandating that we buy a product from a private Company, taxes are differant. Can Car Insurance is not a federal mandate, its state by state.
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