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Yet, a fetus is alive.
Even any atheist scientist would even tell you that.
Cool. It's still a fetus thus if it's aborted, it isn't murder. What's your point?
[qutoe] So you believe in a status that you would call "sub-human"?[/quote]
Nice strawman. I'll just blow it down now. The fetus is what is inside the womb until they are pushed out into the world and take their first breath. Then and only then are they considered a newborn. Nice try with bigoted logic though.
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..........or maybe you wouldn't even give the baby still in the womb that much respect.
You'd be right...except we're not talking about a baby in the womb considering that's physically impossible. If we're discussing what is in the womb, then it is a fetus and not a baby. Why can't you understand this?
Newborn = the baby taking their first breath of air in the world
Ah. Didn't know that. I'm not well verse in the ways of what government programs are out there since I have no need to know right now.
Never mind the fact that it still doesn't change the fact that abortion doesn't equal murder no matter how much the extreme right wants to cry about it.
When a pregnant woman is murdered, it is two counts of murder.
I wouldn't know since I was a fetus at the time, not a baby.
You should ask her.
See above for my response. Would it matter?
If things like this do not matter to you I'd bet not much else does either.
If you mean that truth you're alluding being the fact that we aren't killing babies but are aborting fetuses when an abortion does happen,then yes you're right - it is known deep down inside our souls that a fetus is being aborted and not a baby being killed.
Your Loaded statement failed. Try again.
Loaded statement?
Your reasoning in very thin.
Maybe you are just a "collection of chemicals" after all.
Man remind me never to use abortion to illustrate a point.
Afoigrokerkok and others that got the point, thanks.
Anyone else you all need to read the whole thread.
For those that missed it. The Supreme Court has opened up a way for the government to force us to do what they, the politicians, think we should do, be it taxes favoring liberal or conservative ideals. We now are electing our, my apologies to the african-americans here, our own masters. I guess some think this is ok. I do not. We are supposed to be a country where individuals can act in freedom or relative freedom. This will curtail this.
For the liberals that think this can never happen, I never thought the Supreme Court would let anything go through that would harm individual liberty. Never, never, never. It can't happen here. Well it did. Scoff all you want, but the possibility is there for the scenario I put forth(unwisely in retrospect) to happen. Think back to the 'stolen' election of Bush the younger. Think about the dismay and horror that you felt when this happened. How about the defeat of the unions in Wisc. That same horror and loss of country is going to occur when a conservative congress taxes(to coerce) a conservative ideal. It may not be abortion, but it could be something else you hold dear.
For those that still want to debate abortion only: TAKE THE DISCUSSION TO ANOTHER THREAD. ITS NOT THE POINT OF THIS ONE.
Thanks.
Forgot to add: Apologies to anyone that rep'd me on this abortion stance. I'm not really that hard core against. Was trying to prove a point. So if you feel I deceived you I'm sorry.
I understood perfectly.
Perhaps a conservative government will put rules on homosexuality? More stringent sodomy laws? Prosecute Ty's for their behavior? Don't think it can't happen.
Hell, in Philly, it's already illegal to feed the homeless....and Philly is about as left wing as you can get.
Good for them. Abortion is a woman's choice since it's her body. I would never force a woman to get an abortion nor would I actively discourage a woman from getting one if she chose that path. What right do you, myself, or anyone else have to tell a woman what to do with her body?
None.
A growing baby is a part of a woman's body like an egg is part of a chickens.
Last I checked no babies are being killed. Fetuses are being aborted maybe due to extenuating circumstances (such as rape), but I've never heard of people supporting babies being killed.
You sure we're talking about the same thing here?
The leftie all back position. Rape, incest, etc. account for 1% of abortions.
BTW....so you would stop abortion of viable babies?
I think you may have found a heart!
I agree with the current abortion guidelines.....never said I didn't.
Once a fetus is viable.....abortions are not performed unless there are extreme medical circumstances.
Aren't you aware of the guidelines?
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