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Old 06-29-2012, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In the overall scheme of things, this doesn't really matter. The decision is taken. It doesn't really matter how they got there.

But it adds an interesting twist to Chief Justice John Souter Roberts' inexplicable abandonment of the idea that the Federal government's powers are enumerated and limited.

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Did Justice Roberts change his Obamacare vote at the last minute? - ABC News

Did Chief Justice John Roberts decide to join the court's liberal wing and uphold the individual mandate at the very last minute?

by Liz Goodwin
June 28, 2012

That's the theory floated by Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Boulder, and Brad DeLong, a Berkeley economics professor and former Treasury Department official under President Clinton. Campos wrote Thursday in Salon that the dissent had a triumphant tone, as if it were written as a majority opinion, and that the four conservative justices incorrectly refer to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's concurring opinion as a "dissent."

"No less than 15 times in the space of the next few pages, the dissent refers to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's concurring opinion as 'Justice Ginsburg's dissent,'" Campos wrote.

(snip)

(Full text of the arrticle can be read at the above URL)
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Default Justice Roberts may have done us a big favor

It appears that the man knew what he was doing. I have heard Charles Krauthammer talking about the deal and he makes a lot of sense about what has been done. At least so far the Court is still alive and the left is very happy with him.

Well maybe the taxation question may have put the Dems in a hole for November. Since the mandate had to be allowed but only as a tax it seems they may have quite a problem dealing with something that Obama promised not to do. This a tax on the middle class as will be the ending of the Bush-Obama tax cuts in December. We will all suffer and surely people can be showed how much before the first of November.

Anyway, here is quite an argument about how the decision may well help us out.

Justice Roberts May Have Done Us a Big Favor - Godfather Politics
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
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At the expense of setting a precedent that the federal government can involve itself in literally ANYTHING (I realize with decisions like Wickard v. Filburn, they've already done that, but this expands even that case).

No thanks. I'll take the correct ruling on the law, which is that it is wholly unconstitutional. I'd also appreciate a nudge back in the correct direction, which is individual liberty and a relatively weak central government.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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Guess we have to hope the "LOVE" is gone. Some are going to vote for Obama because, Romney is a Mormon, Romney is just like Obama why change, not voting for a Republican.

Some will just bury us in more lies of the Obama administration and vote blindly for a man that hates America.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Guess we have to hope the "LOVE" is gone. Some are going to vote for Obama because, Romney is a Mormon, Romney is just like Obama why change, not voting for a Republican.

Some will just bury us in more lies of the Obama administration and vote blindly for a man that hates America.
And some will just make baseless allegations of imagined hatred and other silliness, eh?
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And some will just make baseless allegations of imagined hatred and other silliness, eh?
Which group will win out in the end? You don't need to answer me since I know what your answer will be.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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At the expense of setting a precedent that the federal government can involve itself in literally ANYTHING (I realize with decisions like Wickard v. Filburn, they've already done that, but this expands even that case).

No thanks. I'll take the correct ruling on the law, which is that it is wholly unconstitutional. I'd also appreciate a nudge back in the correct direction, which is individual liberty and a relatively weak central government.
Who needs the SCOTUS when we have posters like you
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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In the overall scheme of things, this doesn't really matter. The decision is taken. It doesn't really matter how they got there.

But it adds an interesting twist to Chief Justice John Souter Roberts' inexplicable abandonment of the idea that the Federal government's powers are enumerated and limited.

-----------------------------------------------

Did Justice Roberts change his Obamacare vote at the last minute? - ABC News

Did Chief Justice John Roberts decide to join the court's liberal wing and uphold the individual mandate at the very last minute?

by Liz Goodwin
June 28, 2012

That's the theory floated by Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Boulder, and Brad DeLong, a Berkeley economics professor and former Treasury Department official under President Clinton. Campos wrote Thursday in Salon that the dissent had a triumphant tone, as if it were written as a majority opinion, and that the four conservative justices incorrectly refer to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's concurring opinion as a "dissent."

"No less than 15 times in the space of the next few pages, the dissent refers to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's concurring opinion as 'Justice Ginsburg's dissent,'" Campos wrote.

(snip)

(Full text of the arrticle can be read at the above URL)

Same thread about same issue.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:13 AM
 
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Good, many more will see it.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Default Is Justice Roberts wondering when people will catch on?

Food for thought (and discussion):


Reality Check: If Healthcare Law Is A Tax Is It Now Invalid? - YouTube
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