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Old 06-29-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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We have already been paying for other peoples health insurance via higher charges on our own bills to cover those that go to the hospital with no coverage and never pay. By having them pay *something* into the system it should actually enhance fairness and may actually reduce costs for those of us that have been paying for healthcare all along.
THANK YOU! I've been saying this for 2 years now...why don't people realize that EVERYONE now does have health care, a lot of people just don't pay for it, and our insurance premiums are higher because of it. This is just a 6 of one, half dozen of the other. But OHHHHH it's SOCIALISM!!!!! Good lord I'm gonna move to Canada I swear.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The biggest positive to this bill is that poor people will have much greater access to medical care - how people can consider that a negative is beyond me.

And those who can't afford medical care, the government will subsidize the cost of health insurance, all the way up to $44,000 a year for individuals. Companies with over 50 employees will be required to provide health insurance to their employees - people before profit$ is never a bad thing.

In short, this bill is a landmark piece of legislation that will help pave the way to a more humane, prosperous and equitable future for this great country.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I'm just so sick of hearing about negative stuff!
Sorry, can't be done. It's all bad.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The biggest positive to this bill is that poor people will have much greater access to medical care - how people can consider that a negative is beyond me.

And those who can't afford medical care, the government will subsidize the cost of health insurance, all the way up to $44,000 a year for individuals. Companies with over 50 employees will be required to provide health insurance to their employees - people before profit$ is never a bad thing.

In short, this bill is a landmark piece of legislation that will help pave the way to a more humane, prosperous and equitable future for this great country.
1. They already had that. I am a cancer survivor and atleast 1/4 of the folks getting chemo when I did were poor no insurance.
2. The gov will subsidize? No we the people will subsidize.
companies with over 50 people are all making huge profits? Ok if you say so.
3. equitable to who? Prosperous how? The insurance companies are the big winners in this game.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:24 PM
 
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The biggest positive to this bill is that poor people will have much greater access to medical care - how people can consider that a negative is beyond me.

And those who can't afford medical care, the government will subsidize the cost of health insurance, all the way up to $44,000 a year for individuals. Companies with over 50 employees will be required to provide health insurance to their employees - people before profit$ is never a bad thing.

In short, this bill is a landmark piece of legislation that will help pave the way to a more humane, prosperous and equitable future for this great country.
Poor already had access. Nothing will change there. Companies aren't required to do anything. They are fined 3K dollars a person if they don't provide health insurance. So they won't provide it, pay the fine and dump everybody into the new government utopia thus saving them piles of money. Now who pays for all those folks? Well they didn't figure that into their little scam now did they? In short nothing will change other than folks will see more money stolen from them, their freedom to choose their own healthcare stolen from them and their liberty infringed upon yet again by our government. The tea is starting to get too expensive again folks.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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The biggest positive to this bill is that poor people will have much greater access to medical care - how people can consider that a negative is beyond me.

And those who can't afford medical care, the government will subsidize the cost of health insurance, all the way up to $44,000 a year for individuals. Companies with over 50 employees will be required to provide health insurance to their employees - people before profit$ is never a bad thing.

In short, this bill is a landmark piece of legislation that will help pave the way to a more humane, prosperous and equitable future for this great country.
A couple comments from the voice of the realist here:
1) A company isn't going to reduce it's profits. Some companies will lay off employees and be more relunctant to hire or may charge customers more.

2) I have a computer model that helps me set prices, it has expenses, tax rates etc. built into it. Go ahead and change those and all I'm going to do is figure out how much more to charge to get me back to where I was. Assumptions that there will be no reaction to mandates or other changes are erroneous.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:34 PM
 
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1. They already had that. I am a cancer survivor and atleast 1/4 of the folks getting chemo when I did were poor no insurance.
2. The gov will subsidize? No we the people will subsidize.
companies with over 50 people are all making huge profits? Ok if you say so.
3. equitable to who? Prosperous how? The insurance companies are the big winners in this game.
1) So the poor folks were getting coverage without paying previously.....hmmmmmm.....you do realize that we the people were paying for them right?

2) Agreed.

3) Yes. Yes they are.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Good lord I'm gonna move to Canada I swear.
Need gas money?
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:41 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Having read independant actuarial papers on the merits of mandatory insurance plans here goes.....

We have already been paying for other peoples health insurance via higher charges on our own bills to cover those that go to the hospital with no coverage and never pay. By having them pay *something* into the system it should actually enhance fairness and may actually reduce costs for those of us that have been paying for healthcare all along.

For an example using auto insurance....imagine that auto insurance wasn't mandatory and that if an uninsured driver crashed into you that they would also get their car fixed (ie can't refuse someone treatment at the ER) but that the repair shop would just charge you double because the other driver will never pay their debt. What would happen to the auto insurance premiums for the people that buy insurance?
What about illegal aliens who WILL keep using the ER as ther a primary care doctors? Many hospitals - especially close to the border - have gone bankrupt because of it.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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I read an article a while back where the average cost to insure a family by the employer was something around 20K a year. The fine is 3K. I wonder what they will do?

They dump the family onto the gubmnt program and the family says well I have to pay my 450 fine in '14 or whatever it is until it bumps up to 2K in '16 and if anybody gets really sick I'll just go sign up for insurance then because they can't turn me down and let the insurance company pay for it then cancel the coverage when the bills are gone. If my kid needs to see a doc just pay for it out of pocket. Hell the copay's and the like have already gone way up anyway to help the companies mitigate the expense to cover employees in the first place. This is the mess that has been created. If you don't sign up and pay the fine you STILL can't be turned away at a hospital anyway so if you get in a car wreck etc. guess who is footing the bill STILL?
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