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Old 07-01-2012, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The federal government will pay the full cost of that expansion at first, with the state's share rising to only 10% in 2024 (or somewhere in there).

In any case, the point is that those states could afford it if they wanted to, but that might mean cutting off corporate access to the state treasury. If faced with the choice of continuing to transfer your tax dollars to their corporate buddies or cutting poor people off from healthcare, the GOP has shown consistently where they stand. This is just more proof of how much the little people mean to the GOP.

The government can't pay anything to anybody until they take the money from somebody else...
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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You mean like Alabama has done with tax incentives and grants to lure Asian and European auto makers?

By your own admission, that doesn't seem to be working out so well, does it?
This is two different issues. The incentives have definitely worked. I saw former Gov. Riley on Morning Joe a year or so ago talking about the fact that Alabama has more auto plants than any other state other than Michigan. Not sure if that is still true, but still is growing and diversifying the workforce and will eventually be able to lower the Medicaid population. Still no way that employment is not better than a government handout. Again, I am sure that you realize the question is whether to EXPAND the rolls, not take anyone off who is already receiving.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:26 PM
 
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Sure they can and they are. They expand the poverty line with percentages to include more people.
They increase funding for existing programs. They have contests with bonus money for states.

They widen the net and increase the money. That is how the government is dealing with increased poverty in America.

Then how come childless adults get pretty much next to squat? (No Medicaid for YOU!)
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:34 PM
 
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Then how come childless adults get pretty much next to squat? (No Medicaid for YOU!)
Hence the argument that government encourages irresponsibility by giving to those who have children and leaving those who dont to die.. (no, they dont really leave them to die, but thats what liberals would say)
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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What happens when you subsidize sloth?
Answer: You get more of it.

More opportunity and less competition for the rest of us.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:54 PM
 
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What's difference between Obamacare and the mandated insurance Romney imposed in Mass? I don't get it.
The difference is that states have a right to pass such laws under the Constitution. The federal government does not have that power "enumerated" unto it.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:55 PM
 
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I guess I am having trouble understanding why anyone would want to get on Medicaid. I thought we were all programmed to succeed! Some people on here really seem to be trying to swing the deal so that they can get the Government handout.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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What you call transfer payments to corporation, the states call creating jobs for their citizens. It is done all the time and there is nothing shady about it. Recently there was competition between my state and a neighbor state for a new auto assembly plant. Enticement were offered by both states because both wanted the good paying jobs that would be provided. Nothing shady about it and in my opinion much better use of tax money than expanding Medicaid.

So burger flippers should just remain uninsured and subsidize the rest of us with his tax dollars?
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:06 PM
 
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I guess I am having trouble understanding why anyone would want to get on Medicaid. I thought we were all programmed to succeed! Some people on here really seem to be trying to swing the deal so that they can get the Government handout.

If you're working a crappy low wage dead end job, would you rather have no insurance or crappy insurance?
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:13 PM
 
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If you're working a crappy low wage dead end job, would you rather have no insurance or crappy insurance?
I'm not talking about people with crappy low wage jobs, but those making $70k and trying to figure out how to get on the expanded Medicaid.
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