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Old 06-30-2012, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What a surprise. :roll eyes:

They're afraid they won't have the money to pay their state's 10% of the cost of expanding Medicaid to cover the poorest of the poor, but they never seem to have a problem supporting or subsidizing their corporate buddies through tax breaks, outsourcing of government services and direct grants to business for "economic development."

Once again, the Republican's show their true colors. Nobody counts to them but the wealthy. If handed power in November, they'd probably re-write the poem found on the Statue of Liberty ("The New Colossus," by Emma Lazarus):

"Give me your comfortable, your wealthy,
Your elites yearning to make more profit,
Keep the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
We don't want these, the homeless and tempest-tost.
We snuff the lamp beside the closed door!"



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/us...it_th_20120630
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:31 AM
 
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It is about opposing an unaffordable entitlement program. Under Obama-care Medicaid will be expanded but the feds are not going to pay for this expansion and are dumping it onto the states. The court ruled that the states can't be blackmailed by the feds so it is a good decision by the states to say "no". If Obama-care is so great, so affordable, let the feds pay for the Medicaid expansion too.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It is about opposing an unaffordable entitlement program. Under Obama-care Medicaid will be expanded but the feds are not going to pay for this expansion and are dumping it onto the states. The court ruled that the states can't be blackmailed by the feds so it is a good decision by the states to say "no". If Obama-care is so great, so affordable, let the feds pay for the Medicaid expansion too.

The federal government will pay the full cost of that expansion at first, with the state's share rising to only 10% in 2024 (or somewhere in there).

In any case, the point is that those states could afford it if they wanted to, but that might mean cutting off corporate access to the state treasury. If faced with the choice of continuing to transfer your tax dollars to their corporate buddies or cutting poor people off from healthcare, the GOP has shown consistently where they stand. This is just more proof of how much the little people mean to the GOP.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I was once poor with no health insurance. I decided to get a job with health insurance. I was no longer poor or uninsured.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I was once poor with no health insurance. I decided to get a job with health insurance. I was no longer poor or uninsured.
Recently? Or, back in the days before the Neo-Con's outsourced the good jobs, busted the unions and hired illegals who work cheap?
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The federal government will pay the full cost of that expansion at first, with the state's share rising to only 10% in 2024 (or somewhere in there).
10% of what, exactly?

$10 Billion? $50 Billion? How much does it actually cost? No one knows, because it is an "open-ended" program.

I hope your not suggesting that 10% of $10 Billion = 10% of $50 Billion, because that would be really stupid, and not exactly a "right wing thread killer" kind of thing.

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In any case, the point is that those states could afford it if they wanted to...
Prove it. Show us the numbers instead of just making stuff up. I guess you forgot about the $1.3 TRILLION in pension plans the States owe their union employees, or are you going to ignore that?

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Recently? Or, back in the days before the Neo-Con's outsourced the good jobs, busted the unions and hired illegals who work cheap?
Um, it was the Neo-cons who gave you Social Security and Medicare, and also Vietnam. And which neo-cons are you talking about? Are you talking about neo-con Tony Lake who was Bill Clinton's chief aide on his White House Staff and who was Obama's foreign policy advisor during the 2008 Campaign, or are you talking about the 6 neo-cons who are on Obama's White House Staff right now, this minute?

Do you even know what you're talking about? Not one Social Democrat-turned-Neo-Conservative has ever held public office. Not one. Not ever. That isn't what they are about. They know that true power is vested in the Bureaucracy, not in Public Office(s).

A good example is Obamacare. Where does it anything about birth control, contraceptives or reproductive health in Obamacare? It doesn't, but that's how the Bureaucrats (at H&HS) interpreted the law that was passed. That's what Bureaucrats do -- interpret laws that Congress passes -- that's one reason why Bureaucrats have so much power -- not to mention you can't fire a Bureaucrat. In addition to making public policies and domestic policies, they make foreign policy and when they aren't making foreign policy, they are shaping foreign policy, by skewing intelligence reports (since the neo-conservatives controll the Alphabet Agencies).

The only person in the US Congress who come even remotely close to be a neo-con, is Joe Loserman, who used to be a Democrat, before becoming an Independent. And he isn't really so much a neo-con as he is pro-Israel (since he is a Jew).

Correcting silliness...

Mircea
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:41 AM
 
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Dems oppose freedom for general public.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It is about opposing an unaffordable entitlement program. Under Obama-care Medicaid will be expanded but the feds are not going to pay for this expansion and are dumping it onto the states. The court ruled that the states can't be blackmailed by the feds so it is a good decision by the states to say "no". If Obama-care is so great, so affordable, let the feds pay for the Medicaid expansion too.
This post is exactly right. What President Obama is doing by dumping the Medicaid part of Obamacare on the states is trying to make your governor the bad guy instead of him because they are going to have to raise your state taxes to pay for it. This is true for all non-funded or not fully funded state mandates.

This is my former Democrat governor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se0QUhVPVSw

Last edited by LauraC; 06-30-2012 at 07:39 AM..
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:47 AM
 
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What's difference between Obamacare and the mandated insurance Romney imposed in Mass? I don't get it.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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What a surprise. :roll eyes:

They're afraid they won't have the money to pay their state's 10% of the cost of expanding Medicaid to cover the poorest of the poor, but they never seem to have a problem supporting or subsidizing their corporate buddies through tax breaks, outsourcing of government services and direct grants to business for "economic development."

Once again, the Republican's show their true colors. Nobody counts to them but the wealthy. If handed power in November, they'd probably re-write the poem found on the Statue of Liberty ("The New Colossus," by Emma Lazarus):

"Give me your comfortable, your wealthy,
Your elites yearning to make more profit,
Keep the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
We don't want these, the homeless and tempest-tost.
We snuff the lamp beside the closed door!"



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/us...it_th_20120630
I am sure a few of them will act like barnyard roosters, puffing up and strutting their stuff to attract their flock of hens. Reality will sink in when the farmer's and their wives, chop off the heads.
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