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It is safe to say that the Federal government and several states has spent over a million dollars in legal costs to keep me from ever working in the United States because I served honorably in Vietnam. I have received the highest score on roughly 50 civil service examinations given by Federal and state agencies and been illegally passed over on various pretexts.
Obviously you have your personal circumstance, but I can tell you that I worked in the Defense Department with a lot of Viet Nam war veterans, and they were given extra hiring points for being in the military when competing for jobs. I've even hired a few myself back in the early to mid 1980's.
Yes, I was surprised to hear this inasmuch as I too worked with quite a few Veterans of Vietnam, several in government service (CDC, NIH, DoS, etc).
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Obviously you have your personal circumstance, but I can tell you that I worked in the Defense Department with a lot of Viet Nam war veterans, and they were given extra hiring points for being in the military when competing for jobs. I've even hired a few myself back in the early to mid 1980's.
Can't get much more definitive than that. Would you mind my asking whether you were US or RA?
Pretty close relationship, I guess. Myself, I pretty much talked about everything with my girlfriend back then. Seemed like the normal thing to do, what with her being the girlfriend and all.
How many made up this 'we'? What was the rank, MOS, and duty status of the advisor in this case? What sort of flight were you on?
I think you meant 'he', not 'we', and how would he have come to the attention of his abusers? How would he have been distinguished from any of the many other soldiers in uniform moving about the airport that day?
I'm just guessing here, but I doubt too many of these don't-want-to-hear-about-it folks were actual anti-war leftist types. That's a reaction that I would have associated much more with the right back in the day...
Yes, I do mind your asking about it. By your tone and further responses you would appear to be setting the conversation up to support your personal agenda on the subject. As I said, this was a personal experience and do not claim it to be anything other than that. As for being able to recognize whether a military person has just come back at an airport, it's easy. First the look, or just read the arrival board of the airline.
Your responses reinforce the reticence to speak of the experience. It is similiar to my asking you, are you still killing kittens? Loaded question.
The possibility of which is what prompted me to ask whether you did.
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By your tone and further responses you would appear to be setting the conversation up to support your personal agenda on the subject.
If I have an agenda in this area, it is that some aspects of the history of that era be more honestly told than what they recently have been.
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As I said, this was a personal experience and do not claim it to be anything other than that.
Noted, as it was earlier.
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As for being able to recognize whether a military person has just come back at an airport, it's easy. First the look, or just read the arrival board of the airline.
The look? Could you describe that further for us? And is it that the arrival board read USAF Flight 123 from Ton Son Nhut?
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Your responses reinforce the reticence to speak of the experience. It is similiar to my asking you, are you still killing kittens? Loaded question.
Believe me, I well understand that speaking of one's experiences in those years is not always easy. But if you are going to volunteer personal testimonies (a la the Winter Soldiers) within a broader discussion of that era, I think you have to expect to be asked about circumstances that you may not have volunteered, in that those may be central to a proper interpretation of your reports. But I certainly do not wish for you to believe that I am demanding any answers at all...
What happened after Viet Nam is that I was a year too young for the draft but I enlisted in '74. And I feel guilty that I safely made my way through an almost 23-year career in the USAF. I served with Viet Nam vets and now my friend's kids are going off to Iraq. It just doesn't seem right. I went to a military academy in high school (early 70's) and believe that too many Americans took out their frustrations about the war on the men (and few women) that served in our military. I even got to see minor examples of that frustration when we marched in parades. (albeit NOTHING like active-duty/Guard/Reserve personnel that served saw)
The Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation is working to bring out the truth
The Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation is working to bring out the truth.
We have now settled the lawsuits which have dogged us since the closing days of the 2004 election. The plaintiff's (JOHN KERRY) lawyers realized that to allow continued discovery would prove the point made in Stolen Honor that the anti-war, far left's claims of war crimes committed in Vietnam were fabricated... in many cases written by the KGB and disseminated to the US public by anti-war politicians, the liberal media and Hollywood. Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation
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