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Old 07-01-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The states that are dying for healthcare coverage - Bottom Line

The lack of medical coverage in America is a serious problem as approximately 50 million people were uninsured all through 2010. But the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was passed in 2010, was constitutional. The legislation, once implemented in its entirety, is expected to cover 30 million Americans currently lacking coverage.

The lack of medical insurance has had grave consequences for individuals and the nation. In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week

 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What I see cropping up over and over in that article is "smoking", "obesity" and "diabetes".

I don't know that health insurance would have prevented deaths from smoking and obesity. Maybe prolonged life for a while.

You are assuming that every one of those deaths would have been preventable with insurance.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week

That is a total lie. Health insurance never prevented any deaths.

Health care might.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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This method considers the proportion of people who are insured and uninsured, the mortality risks for the uninsured and the number of expected deaths from a hypothetical fully insured population
So, in other words, they guessed at the number of people they think would have died due to lack of medical insurance. Seems like someone is playing with the numbers to create a narrative that works for them.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Well, under the reform, those with pre-existing conditions (like myself) can't be denied coverage, but it will be expensive. I will likely end up being one of those who pays the fine instead.

There NEEDS to be a national investigation into why healthcare costs so damn much. There is something wrong when a nurse can make $60-sum an hour, as a niece of mine does.

Also, I had an interesting discussion with my gastroenterologist the other day. He said that when he did the hospital run that morning, only ONE patient out of 5 was a paying patient. Three were illegals and one was a drug addict. I asked him if hospitals don't attempt to make them pay something, and he said that the problem lies in having a good address to reach them.

All of it is something that should have been addressed clear back in the 80's when it became a concern.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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That is a total lie. Health insurance never prevented any deaths.

Health care might.
Health care does prevent deaths. Health insurance prevents bankruptcy and financial ruin from acquiring said health care. Nobody in this country should have to choose between death and bankruptcy when trying to treat an illness. (and no, just getting a disease does not automatically mean that the person brought it upon themselves) Why so many conservatives think otherwise is truly beyond me.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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Thank the federal government for raising medical expenses and forcing people to rely on insurance for their health care.

Liberals can now back to ignoring the elephant in the room.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I know a lot of people die with health insurance.. that isn't the cure.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The lack of medical insurance has had grave consequences for individuals and the nation. In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week
Wow, a whopping 0.0083% of the population.

I'm bursting with pride and ready to get out my hero uniform to bankrupt the United States to save a whopping 0.0083% of the population, because, you know, the needs of the 0.0083% outweigh the needs of the other 99.9917% of the population, right?

Let's see, as I recall, there was a thread on C-D about a turd in Cincinnati who given the choice between filling his prescription for anti-biotics, or filling his prescription for pain-killers, uh, opted to choose the pain-killers, because, um, you know, pain-killers go good with a 40-ounce missile and you can sell them on the streets here in Over-the Rhine.

So, uh, what, medical insurance makes people smarter? Is that what you're saying? I sure hope not, because that would be silly.

Gravely...

Mircea
 
Old 07-01-2012, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Murika
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I have no idea why this is so incredibly difficult.

Let's say I don't have health insurance but my kid gets very ill. Since I cannot afford to go to a regular pediatrician, I have to find an alternative that does not cost me any money (remember, I don't have any!). The only option is generally to go to an emergency room where my child will have to be treated, no matter what. Since I cannot pay my bill, the tax payer (and those who have insurance) will get stuck with my bill. Since it is an ER bill, it will cost other people at least $1500.

If I had health insurance - issued by the state because I am unable to pay, the cost would have been that of a simple visit to a pediatrician. We can assume that this health insurance, just like private companies, will have been able to negotiate a lower rate. Thus, instead of costing the nation $1500, cost will be significantly less.

When I have had to go to an ER abroad, I was asked either for a credit card or for my passport. There was no skipping out on the bill.
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