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Surely, you have not forgotten that you are the one, the only one, who said ..."the SC didn't exactly call it a tax". It is unavoidable. The Supremes were clear, it is a tax. Your boys and girls tried to deflect that fact. Just, as are deflecting into discussions of nicotine, cars, Mass law, or other realms that have nothing to do with the flip flopping of the Democratic President and Congress. We can get into those comparisons if the SCOTUS ever rules on them. Until then...
I'm through with your clever - I'll give you credit for cleverness - deflections, but nothing more. Eighteen months, and you get to start paying for my retirement. That big, fat check every month, along with tax sheltered income will make for a high old time. Tee hee hee.
Better get to work on making lots of kiddies. You'll need them to pay for you SS. Assuming it survives that long.
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Group think, clearly, is working in full force. Call my bluff by quoting the SC, that mandate is a tax.
If the question of whether the ACA penalty was a tax was the issue before the court that question would have gone down one to eight. Why do you on the right think a one to eight vote on what the penalty is called is a winner?
Here is the part of the constitution Roberts' OPINION, his "taxing authority" opinion, relied on, " The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises...." Anyone notice the bold part???
Yes, I am sure. The crux of Robert's argument is that the law would have been uncontitutional had it been a penalty and not a tax.
I love it-
Liberals are now beginning to realize that they have just been stuck with a giant political turd and are very unhappy about it. Join the club. Now EVERYONE is unhappy about Obamacare- libs and conservatives alike. The GOOD THING is that this essentially assures Obama's defeat and will probably deliver the senate to the republicans.
If the question of whether the ACA penalty was a tax was the issue before the court that question would have gone down one to eight. Why do you on the right think a one to eight vote on what the penalty is called is a winner?
Ummm, because the White House, through their solicitor general argued it is a tax, and the supreme court accepted that argument. If the Whit House did not argue that it is a tax, the lefties would be whining today because it was sht Dow.
I don't know if I should call that a lie - or just say you are ill informed
Obama, nor his administration fought for a public option.
I don't try to be politically correct, so allow me to call that a lie.
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Obama is owned by Big Pharm and Private Insurance Companies just as much
And the opposition has nothing. I guess that explains why these private insurance companies spent over $100 million in ads against ObamaCare.
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Obama didn't run on "getting a public option", "public Option" was not heard in any of his speeches, discussed in any debates; or in any of his TV promos. Sometimes, I wonder what folks voted for Obama on
Why must you lie? Is it because truth doesn't help your cause?
"I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest."
- President Obama, June 2009
Nope, unless your reading is selective but in which case I can't help it.
It does, if a claim is being made that mandate = tax. I understand it doesn't make for a convenient position for people like you.
State mandate = State tax?
Is purchasing tobacco a hobby of yours? Even if it were, is it a tax on people who don't?
Are you suggesting that free riders don't engage in commerce?
Bingo, there we go. The Pelosi Talking Point. Now, anyone that chooses to pay for their own healthcare, instead of getting insurance, is a "free rider". What does that even mean? Is it kind of like "freeloader", ala welfare recipients, food stampers, and illegals?
Surely, you have not forgotten that you are the one, the only one, who said ..."the SC didn't exactly call it a tax". It is unavoidable. The Supremes were clear, it is a tax.
The power to levy taxes <> tax. Got it?
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Bingo, there we go. The Pelosi Talking Point. Now, anyone that chooses to pay for their own healthcare, instead of getting insurance, is a "free rider". What does that even mean? Is it kind of like "freeloader", ala welfare recipients, food stampers, and illegals?
Actually, that was Mitt Romney's argument. And the link was provided in the post you responded to.
Yes, I am sure. The crux of Robert's argument is that the law would have been uncontitutional had it been a penalty and not a tax.
I love it-
Liberals are now beginning to realize that they have just been stuck with a giant political turd and are very unhappy about it. Join the club. Now EVERYONE is unhappy about Obamacare- libs and conservatives alike. The GOOD THING is that this essentially assures Obama's defeat and will probably deliver the senate to the republicans.
Roberts was BRILLIANT.
I agree. Not only does he hand the Senate and WH to the GOP, but upcoming Supreme Court appointments as well.
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I guess that explains why these private insurance companies spent over $100 million in ads against ObamaCare.
