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Old 07-02-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Why would the IRS penalize you if it is not a tax?
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The Supreme Court just said that if it is not a tax, then the mandate is flatly unconstitutional.

Are the Obamanites speaking honestly, and saying the mandate is unconstitutional as the Supreme Court does?

Or are they just trying to publish whatever words will get them re-elected in November, no matter how false??
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why would the IRS penalize you if it is not a tax?
According to Romney, it is a Tax Penalty...

"Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others."

Sort of like tobacco tax, which affects only those who purchase tobacco but not others who don't. In this case, Romney's idea is to discourage "free riders".
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Why would the IRS penalize you if it is not a tax?
Obama's OWN ATTORNEY ARGUED, in front of the U.S. Supreme court that it WAS a tax.

Which is it, is it a tax, or did Obama's lawyer commit perjury in front of the U.S. Supreme Court?

Busted: Audio of Obama Lawyer Arguing Obamacare Is a Tax Stuns WH Chief of Staff Jack Lew (Video)


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...ack-lew-video/
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Obama's OWN ATTORNEY ARGUED, in front of the U.S. Supreme court that it WAS a tax.

Which is it, is it a tax, or did Obama's lawyer commit perjury in front of the U.S. Supreme Court?

Busted: Audio of Obama Lawyer Arguing Obamacare Is a Tax Stuns WH Chief of Staff Jack Lew (Video)


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...ack-lew-video/
Lawyers argue inconsistent arguments in order to get to the main objective. It's the see what sticks tactic that EVERY trial counsel uses. It's hardly unheard of and is instead ordinary procedure. You just never heard of it because you don't know any lawyers.
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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Both are absolutely a tax and both candidates have to tread carefully. In particular, Obama and the Democrats are in more trouble since they passed this law during a major recession and repeatedly and painfully went on TV and elsewhere insisting that the middle class would not see their taxes go up from this healthcare bill or any other legislation from the Democrats.

Romney has to highlight all of the other taxes in the bill (aside from the mandate) and show how those are very different than his legislation, including the gutting of half a trillion from Medicare done in the ACA. It won't be easy, but much of the burden will fall on the incumbent anyways.

Instead, on the matter of taxes, the Democrats have now passed a fairly regressive tax on most middle and low income Americans, something they attack Republicans of doing.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Both are absolutely a tax and both candidates have to tread carefully. In particular, Obama and the Democrats are in more trouble since they passed this law during a major recession and repeatedly and painfully went on TV and elsewhere insisting that the middle class would not see their taxes go up from this healthcare bill or any other legislation from the Democrats.

Romney has to highlight all of the other taxes in the bill (aside from the mandate) and show how those are very different than his legislation, including the gutting of half a trillion from Medicare done in the ACA. It won't be easy, but much of the burden will fall on the incumbent anyways.

Instead, on the matter of taxes, the Democrats have now passed a fairly regressive tax on most middle and low income Americans, something they attack Republicans of doing.
Well, Romney could start with this comparison, follow it up with his presentation (2006) and conclude with his ideas for ObamaCare from 2009.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, Romney could start with this comparison, follow it up with his presentation (2006) and conclude with his ideas for ObamaCare from 2009.
Swing State Voter: RomneyCare vs ObamaCare - differences and similarities

Romney’s Best Defense: The Truth About Romneycare | Galen Institute

Plus - as far as his ideas for ObamaCare, he didn't necessarily say he was for a national mandate (obviously it could be inferred that he was for it, but he never explicitly said he was). He merely explained how it worked in MA.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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The IRS is involved. Its a tax.

Both Romney and Obama have their own reasons for not wanting people to see it as a tax. Political reasons obviously.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The IRS is involved. Its a tax.

Both Romney and Obama have their own reasons for not wanting people to see it as a tax. Political reasons obviously.
Of course. That being said, the Supreme Court of the US has ruled the penalty in ObamaCare a tax. No court has ruled the penalty in RomneyCare a tax.
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