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Old 11-10-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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Jail time if you pass on obamacare?





Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? - Political Punch
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:13 PM
 
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Absolutely! No more free rides for lazy Americans and undocumented immigrants.
We jail people guilty of tax evasion...this is NO different!

"Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation."

Soooo, what specifically are we talking about Mr. President?

" The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now. "

President Hussien is not acting very responsibly with our grand childrens money. Shame on you, Sir. Shame!

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Old 11-11-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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I feel bad for anyone who believes this.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I feel bad for anyone who believes this.
The legislation, passed by the House of Representatives the other day, has provisions contained within the bill that a) requires all purchase approved health insurance policies and b) if one does not, they can be fined and / or Jailed, for a period not to exceed FIVE (5) years in a Federal Penitentiary.

I'd suggest that EVERYONE - all Americans, should BELIEVE it!
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:53 AM
 
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Default Unclench!!!

Get a grip!

"Fact: Penalty for failure to purchase insurance is a tax, not jail time

As Media Matters for America has documented several times, Section 501 of the House health care bill provides that an individual must be "covered by acceptable coverage at all times." "Acceptable coverage" includes "qualified health benefits plan coverage," "grandfathered health insurance coverage," "Medicare," "Medicaid," coverage provided to members of the armed forces and their dependants, "coverage under the veteran's health care program," people who receive health care "through the Indian Health Service," or other coverage deemed acceptable by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. If a person does not have acceptable health care coverage, Section 501 imposes a tax on that person "not to exceed the applicable national average premium."
Fact: Willful failure to pay taxes of any sort can result in civil or criminal penalties

A press release by Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI) relying on a letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation states that "Americans who do not maintain 'acceptable health insurance coverage' and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years." That section of the letter dealing with "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance" specifies that Camp asked the committee to "discuss the situation in which the taxpayer has chosen not to comply with individual mandate and not to pay the additional tax." Thus, the letter is not discussing the penalties for failure to buy insurance, but the penalties for both failing to buy insurance and failing to pay the tax. The committee's letter explains that the tax code provides penalties to prevent tax evasion of any sort: "The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax." [Joint Committee on Taxation letter, 11/5/09]
Quick fact: Hannity cites Morris' false claim that jail is a penalty for failure to buy insurance under health bill | Media Matters for America
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Lets be practical.First of all,this bill,as it now stands,will never pass the Senate without major revisions,and very likely will never pass the Senate at all,in any form.Next,the threat of fines and/or imprisonment is unconstitutional;neither the President nor Congress has the legal right or authority to impose or enforce such penalties.Next,if such a bill passes,threats or no threats,there would be huge taxpayer revolts that would make the earlier Tea Parties look like an afternoon picnic.And finally,already some wise guys have already calculated that it would be cheaper to just pay the fine than it would be to purchase very expensive insurance.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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I feel bad for anyone who believes this.
Apparently Nancy Pelosi believes it.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:31 AM
 
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if such a bill passes,threats or no threats,there would be huge taxpayer revolts that would make the earlier Tea Parties look like an afternoon picnic.
To be sure, attendance at these tea parties would jump from 10 to 20 people real quick.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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People on the right will believe anything...


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In fact, the penalty under the House health care reform bill for failure to purchase insurance is a tax, not jail time, and willful failure to pay federal income taxes can result in civil or criminal penalties.
Right-wing blogs run with reporter's false question on jail time under health bill | Media Matters for America
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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To be sure, attendance at these tea parties would jump from 10 to 20 people real quick.
Believe that your numbers are off by two or perhaps even three decimal places.
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