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Why are law enforcement officers needed to investigate crimes and deal with domestic violence or gang activity?
As for "man with a gun" - last I checked - their was this thing called the 2nd Amendment which makes it legal for people to carry firearms.
There is not a single thing that you listed that requires law enforcement to be involved. People have just become lazy and dependent on government instead of working hard and being responsible for themselves and their security. In the process - we are allowing our liberty to be trampled on and are increasingly becoming a nation of sheeple.
I don't think that you thought your post through before you actually posted.
The last man with a gun call I remember was a guy running across a cul-de-sac naked, with an AK-47. Yep, totally not a police situation, right? By the way, he was running from his house where he had just taken a couple of shots at his wife. Explain to me where the 2nd Amendment covers that guy.
Secondly, if you can't see where the police need to be involved in everything I named in post #13, you are beyond help. Better yet, how would you work those crimes/problems I mentioned? A homicide, a gang, a cartel, a robbery crew? You can work those? Be honest.
Secondly, if you can't see where the police need to be involved in everything I named in post #13, you are beyond help. Better yet, how would you work those crimes/problems I mentioned? A homicide, a gang, a cartel, a robbery crew? You can work those? Be honest.
Define "working" those scenarios?
A homicide? If someone kills a member of my family - I most certainly can investigate on my own - why would you think that finding the murderer is something that a person would be incapable of doing?
A gang - umm - that is very vague - can yo explain how the gang is harming someone? You need to deal with these issues on a case by case basis. I mean let's say a gang member assaults someone - you deal with that at the moment by giving the punk a good punch in the jaw - or if they are using a firearm - you respond in kind.
A cartel? Well apparently you think that the drug trade is a bad thing. I tend to agree - but that is only because the drugs are illegal - lets remove the black market and the cause of the violence surrounding the drug trade - by legalizing drugs.
A robbery crew? Once again - the best weapon against someone going around robbing is to be prepared to defend yourself - robbers usually go after easy targets - they tend to shy away from places where they might be killed.
You are being very vague - but maybe you get the idea - if people would take responsibility for their own safety then we would have less crime going on. Crime is rampant because thugs know that they can get away with things. Look at Switzerland - everyone is armed and they have one of the lowest crime and murder rates in the world. Here in the U.S.A. - we make it illegal to carry a weapon and look what happens - we have murders and crime occuring rampantly - all because people are dependent on government to protect them instead of acting as a deterrant by being able to deal with anything that happens to them on their own.
Police are pretty much useless at best - and at worst - dangerous.
solving the crime, carrying out a case to it's conclusion.
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A homicide? If someone kills a member of my family - I most certainly can investigate on my own - why would you think that finding the murderer is something that a person would be incapable of doing?
let me know how that works out for you since it's so easy.
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A gang - umm - that is very vague - can yo explain how the gang is harming someone? You need to deal with these issues on a case by case basis. I mean let's say a gang member assaults someone - you deal with that at the moment by giving the punk a good punch in the jaw - or if they are using a firearm - you respond in kind.
Yeah, a gang, the playboy crips we had out here ripping off check cashing joints. I'm sure that you would've handled that easily.
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A cartel? Well apparently you think that the drug trade is a bad thing. I tend to agree - but that is only because the drugs are illegal - lets remove the black market and the cause of the violence surrounding the drug trade - by legalizing drugs.
If you think cartels are only involved in the drug trade, you have a lot to learn. Kidnapping, extortion, do some research and get back to me.
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A robbery crew? Once again - the best weapon against someone going around robbing is to be prepared to defend yourself - robbers usually go after easy targets - they tend to shy away from places where they might be killed.
did you know that one of the vehicles they stole was taken off of an armed individual who was target shooting? Nevermind, you probably didn't know that.
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You are being very vague - but maybe you get the idea - if people would take responsibility for their own safety then we would have less crime going on. Crime is rampant because thugs know that they can get away with things. Look at Switzerland - everyone is armed and they have one of the lowest crime and murder rates in the world. Here in the U.S.A. - we make it illegal to carry a weapon and look what happens - we have murders and crime occuring rampantly - all because people are dependent on government to protect them instead of acting as a deterrant by being able to deal with anything that happens to them on their own.
Police are pretty much useless at best - and at worst - dangerous.
wow, do you even read what you post? Illegal to carry a weapon?
let me know how that works out for you since it's so easy.
If the police are so invaluable in solving homicides - how come they havn't identified the killer yet?
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If you think cartels are only involved in the drug trade, you have a lot to learn. Kidnapping, extortion, do some research and get back to me.
You might help matters by being specific and naming a particular cartel.
In the case of drug cartels - the kidnapping and extortion are directly related to the drug trade and are another byproduct of the failed War on Drugs. I have done quite a bit of research on the topic - perhaps you should do some homework yourself - especially if you think that the war on drugs is a good thing and that law enforcement is an effective and neccesary tool in its prosecution.
did you know that one of the vehicles they stole was taken off of an armed individual who was target shooting? Nevermind, you probably didn't know that.
The FBI agents wouldn't be dead if they hadn't engaged the bank robbers. They chose to do so on a city street with ample locations for cover which allowed the robbers to maximize the use of their firepower and keep the agents pinned down. They also needlessly endangered the safety of the public.
All of this would have been unnecesary if one of the banks had been prepared to deal with a robber - and eliminated the robbers in an enclosed space. Maybe if the robbers knew that the bank was prepared to fight fire with fire they wouldn't have kept robbing banks like they did.
The FBI had no business sticking its nose into the situation - and the way they did it was stupid - which ended in two agents losing their life - pointlessly.
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Yeah, a gang, the playboy crips we had out here ripping off check cashing joints. I'm sure that you would've handled that easily.
How come the check-cashing businesses weren't prepared to deal with a robbery?
Yep - New York, Illinois, Michigan, California, and most of the northeast.
Care to guess what their crime and murder rates are like? They sure aren't low.
Looks like the places to move to are Wyoming, Vermont, and Alaska.
You're the one that said carrying guns was illegal which, depending on where you are, is wrong.
and by the way, NYC is one of the safest large cities in the country.
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If the police are so invaluable in solving homicides - how come they havn't identified the killer yet?
you tell me, you said "why would you think that finding the murderer is something that a person would be incapable of doing?"
if homicides are so easily solvable, go ahead and solve that case. I'll wait.
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You might help matters by being specific and naming a particular cartel.
I work in AZ, pick one.
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In the case of drug cartels - the kidnapping and extortion are directly related to the drug trade
Not only off topic, but also incorrect. Some are drug related, but not all.
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and are another byproduct of the failed War on Drugs. I have done quite a bit of research on the topic - perhaps you should do some homework yourself - especially if you think that the war on drugs is a good thing and that law enforcement is an effective and neccesary tool in its prosecution.
where did I mention the war on drugs?
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The FBI agents wouldn't be dead if they hadn't engaged the bank robbers. They chose to do so on a city street with ample locations for cover which allowed the robbers to maximize the use of their firepower and keep the agents pinned down.
What is your experience in conducting felony stops?
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All of this would have been unnecesary if one of the banks had been prepared to deal with a robber - and eliminated the robbers in an enclosed space. Maybe if the robbers knew that the bank was prepared to fight fire with fire they wouldn't have kept robbing banks like they did.
The FBI had no business sticking its nose into the situation - and the way they did it was stupid - which ended in some agents losing their life - pointlessly.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Call me crazy, but I think the FBI just might have a better idea about these things than you.
and by the way, you never answered my question
"Better yet, how would you work those crimes/problems I mentioned? A homicide, a gang, a cartel, a robbery crew? You can work those? Be honest."
"Better yet, how would you work those crimes/problems I mentioned? A homicide, a gang, a cartel, a robbery crew? You can work those? Be honest."
See post #24.
If you didn't like that answer then try being less vague.
Maybe you could tell me how a law enforcement agency "works" those things and how they are more effective then citizens exercising crime prevention on their own?
Really crappy camera work and weak production but maybe it was just amateur video/ messing around. But places likes that are private property and many don't want individuals recording there. If the cop was there and told them to stop taping and to move along, they'd have to do it.
I'll admit I like watching Youtube videos of fights and criminals getting taken down or bizarre behavior( not lame kids goofing around) or even cops acting aggregiously but this was pretty pointless. This video was basically a waste. Nothing was happening and the video filmer didn't seem to have much point in making the video. BORING.
If you didn't like that answer then try being less vague.
Maybe you could tell me how a law enforcement agency "works" those things and how they are more effective then citizens exercising crime prevention on their own?
That's your answer? I ask how people would work/solve those types of crimes without the police and that was your answer? hehehe, thanks for proving my point.
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