Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-20-2012, 10:15 PM
 
Location: California
11,466 posts, read 19,348,947 times
Reputation: 12713

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic 2.0 View Post
Because we've reviewed literature covering far more than just one person's experience, for starters. At any rate, it seems you've retracted your statement that this debate is off-topic. If so, proudaya. If not... why the hell are you asking us "How can you dispute it"? If the debate were truly off-topic, you yourself would be hijacking the thread here, yes?



\
I haven't retracted anything, those are your words, I'm reading the book, nobody else has said one word about it. Y'all are paranoid. take a deep breath, relax and feel free to continue

 
Old 07-20-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Washingtonville
2,505 posts, read 2,326,190 times
Reputation: 441
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post
It's an eye opener to what this child and her family went through, don't get all paranoid because that is what got this thread so off topic in the first place.

That is all that it is. One persons story. It doesn't prove or disprove anything accept she had a terrible childhood.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Washingtonville
2,505 posts, read 2,326,190 times
Reputation: 441
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg Bach View Post
Why is there always a tit for tat competition going on in these threads...someone says something about gays and someone automatically says something about straight people...Kind of like rocks being tossed back and forth over a fence...as for looking at the evidence from a wide range of sources...That might take a life time of observation and you will still not figure out who is perfect and who is not. These debates are almost religious in nature- the atheists against the bible thumpers...same old same old...It should become private again what people do ...it was better that way.
I agree, but this should include MARRIED same-sex couples and their children, adopted or not.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 10:36 PM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,381,370 times
Reputation: 4113
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post
Why would I read that? That is not what the topic of this thread is about. Did I say anything about evidence? Don't be so paranoid I'm on topic about the OP's post. I'm reading the book.
The topic of the thread is "A child's life in a 'gay' household". The OP is trying to claim that one person's story is 'proof' that growing up with gay or lesbian parents is a "nightmare" and 'tantamount to child abuse". The author wasn't even 'raised' by a gay couple. She had a dad who came out later as gay and a chronically ill mother who was straight)

Zach Wahls book IS about growing up in 'gay' household. He WAS raised all his life by two lesbian moms. But you choose to ignore it because it was a 'positive' thing. You also choose to ignore all the evidence from research.

Asking yourself honestly "why would I read that?" might shed some light on your own irrational need to hold on so hard to your prejudice against gay and lesbian people.

Last edited by Ceist; 07-20-2012 at 11:04 PM..
 
Old 07-20-2012, 10:38 PM
 
Location: TX
6,486 posts, read 6,387,103 times
Reputation: 2628
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post
I haven't retracted anything, those are your words, I'm reading the book, nobody else has said one word about it. Y'all are paranoid. take a deep breath, relax and feel free to continue
Clearly, you have chosen to ignore the summary (both the first and the last sentence in the first post), the statement the OP used this book to make. No one's being paranoid. They were called child abusers and reacted in a perfectly normal way.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 10:43 PM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,381,370 times
Reputation: 4113
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg Bach View Post
Why is there always a tit for tat competition going on in these threads...someone says something about gays and someone automatically says something about straight people...Kind of like rocks being tossed back and forth over a fence...as for looking at the evidence from a wide range of sources...That might take a life time of observation and you will still not figure out who is perfect and who is not. These debates are almost religious in nature- the atheists against the bible thumpers...same old same old...It should become private again what people do ...it was better that way.
Because the gay bashers have a hypocritical double standard and it's very simple to expose by pointing out straight people are no different.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 11:11 PM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,381,370 times
Reputation: 4113
Having skimmed through the OP's book here:
Out From Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting - Dawn Stefanowicz, J. Raney, M. Dillworth, S. Quick - Google Books

...what I am struck by is that it is NEVER a good idea to have a mixed marriage between a gay man and a straight woman (or lesbian woman and straight man).


I also noticed that the author is very religious and the people who helped her write this book are other religious people who believe in the religious propganda that having a homosexual orientation is a 'choice' or is caused by abuse as a child, and can be 'cured'.

Also, that her father was raised by abusive straight parents.

I also noticed that the author was NOT raised by a gay couple or a lesbian couple as parents. So why the heck is this book being used to support the OP's stance?

How surprising. Not.



I would have to say that the OP has not even read the book he links to.

The OP's book is great support FOR same-sex marriage.

It shows a result of trying to force gays and lesbians to stay in the closet and ending up in dysfunctional marriages with straight people.

Last edited by Ceist; 07-20-2012 at 11:22 PM..
 
Old 07-20-2012, 11:42 PM
 
5,190 posts, read 4,837,945 times
Reputation: 1115
Quote:
Originally Posted by adiosToreador View Post
do you think that children raised in a single parent house hold is also child abuse?
No
 
Old 07-20-2012, 11:44 PM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,381,370 times
Reputation: 4113
Quote:
Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
Contrary to the lies and disinformation of homosexualists and their fellow travelers, being raised as a child in an GLBT home is a nightmare. Dawn Stefanowicz grew up in such a home and has written about her experience in a 2007 book titled "Out From Under".

The book is not for the squeamish. She describes some of what she went through in a recent interview:

"For children such as myself, just because our parents are 'partnered,' doesn’t mean they are monogamous. Monogamy in the gay community means 'serial monogamy,' you have a single partner for several months and then move on, or you’re in a relationship but have multiple partners on the side. Research shows that most male homosexual relationships become open within the first year. [MOD CUT/copyright] ..."

Let's put it this way: the public, homosexual lifestyle is tantamount to child abuse and should be treated as such.
I suggest you actually READ the book. The author was not raised in a "GLBT" home at all.
 
Old 07-20-2012, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
4,373 posts, read 3,228,194 times
Reputation: 1041
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda View Post
No
Fair enough.

Here's the follow-up:

If you're touting that a child needs both a maternal and paternal presence in their life and claim that a child being raised by homosexual couples (be they male or female) is abuse, then how is it that a child being raised by a single parent is not abuse in your eyes?

Using some facts that you've brought up - a child in a single parent home lacks the maternal or paternal presence in order to have a 'healthy' childhood and doesn't have a second parent to look up to. Also, they are raised by only one sex with a lack of the other around. In a sense a child raised in a single parent home is deprived of a fully healthy, normal childhood - according to your logic anyway.

So I'll ask again - how is it that a child raised in a single parent home does not constitute as child abuse, but a child raised in a home with a same sex couple is?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:58 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top