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Old 07-26-2012, 01:24 AM
 
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It simply shows that changing the definition of marriage means changing a thousand years old tradition. It also shows gay marriage has no roots in European culture. Its a foreign concept.
It also shows that some same sex marriage activists will even distort science such as history to prove their point.
"distort science such as history"?

That doesn't even make sense.

 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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Equality for women was never a part of 'our tradition' either.

'Tradition' is not always a good thing.
Ever notice how not one of them will address this? If they did then they would have to admit that they feel women have less value then men or that women are equal and the tradition needed to be changed.

It was also traditional to have a slave. But we broke that tradition as well. So like you said, tradition is not always a good thing.

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Abolishing slavery was changing thousands of years of 'tradition'. Would you prefer that change never happened?

Equality for women was changing thousands of years of 'tradition'. Would you prefer that change never happened?

Making rape in marriage illegal was changing thousands of years of 'tradition'. Would you prefer that change never happened?

You are on the wrong side of history.
Once again they ignore this. Odd....
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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USA is in a way an extension of European tradition and in that tradition the institution of marriage and its definition remained unchanged until pretty much today. No significant changes since Biblical times.
"No significant changes since Biblical times?"

Are you serious?
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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Since I believe you are female ... If not, just reverse the dowry part ..

REALLY ?? How about if your father TOLD you who you would marry and your husband was paid to take you.

"Traditional" marriage was NOTHING like what we have today.

Marrying for "LOVE" was unheard of.
Define "love"? These people had respect for each other and common objective: to survive and raise children.
Our concept of love is very selfish.
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:28 AM
 
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Absolutely yes.
How do you reconcile such laws with the 14th Amendment?

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If they were found unconstitutional the state would also grant to polygamist marriages and marriages between siblings and children-parents.
You can't win guys just because granting you this privilege state can't possibly continue to deny it to other groups that can't marry....
You can't win, sorry.
I'm not falling down your false slippery slope.
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:30 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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It simply shows that changing the definition of marriage means changing a thousand years old tradition. It also shows gay marriage has no roots in European culture. Its a foreign concept.
It also shows that some same sex marriage activists will even distort science such as history to prove their point.

Do you think that abolishing slavery, equality for women, and making rape in marriage illegal was violating thousands of years of tradition?

Yes or No?
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:33 AM
 
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Any by a Yale Professor of History? No.
You wouldn't believe how many cuckoos in scientific community....and of course even more with an agenda.... just come to any conference
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:34 AM
 
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Absolutely yes.
How do you explain these decisions:

Perry v. Schwarzenegger / Perry v. Brown
Varnum v. Brien
Windsor v. United States
Pedersen v. Office of Personnel Management
Golinski v. Office of Personnel Management
Gill v. Office of Personnel Management

re Balas and Morales
Massachusetts v. United States Department of Health and Human Services
 
Old 07-26-2012, 01:39 AM
 
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Absolutely yes. If they were found unconstitutional the state would also grant to polygamist marriages and marriages between siblings and children-parents.
You can't win guys just because granting you this privilege state can't possibly continue to deny it to other groups that can't marry....
You can't win, sorry.
Slippery slope arguments are always weak.

We have already 'won'. In many countries around the world and in six US states. More will follow every year....

You are on the wrong side of history.

In the past, it was people like you who wanted to keep women as the virtual property of men.
 
Old 07-26-2012, 02:17 AM
 
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You wouldn't believe how many cuckoos in scientific community....and of course even more with an agenda.... just come to any conference
A Yale Professor of History is not a part of the 'scientific community'. Don't you know the difference?
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