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Just dropped by to see what was going on in this thread- Looks like the same old bickering about nothing- as if there was some sort of war going on..that will have an end. There is no end - the war is over...The day that two men or two woman entered into marriage- it was the day that marriage ceased to be relevant...It's over- marriage no longer really exists..face the facts- both side here are beating a dead horse. You can pretend all you want that hetro marriage is relevant and same sex is not- BOTH are no longer relevant....The gay population in my estimation was used as a tool to drive in the last couple of nails into the coffin of marriage.
Prior to this conflict of values - the divorce rate was climbing to spectacular heights..It will continue to climb till it hits 90 percent...Open marriages were on the increase also...family law systems were not just anti-man- they were anti marriage..
Go ahead and drag marriage home...You can have it...but you had better put it in the freezer cos it will start to smell- MARRIAGE IS DEAD. That is what I see and I am not being mean spirited- it's all over but the crying- and all I see here are people crying- at the funeral.
It's unconstitutional to discriminate against any group of people for any reason.
If two consenting, of age adults want to get married (as in being able to sign a contract, rebel12) then why not let them get married?
I doubt a person who comes across like a southern hick (rebel12) has any capacity to see that denying homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals is unconstitutional.
If homosexuals do indeed have the same rights as heterosexuals then why is it that some medical establishments move to block visitation rights for a same sex couple but not that of a heterosexual couple, hmm?
Oh and that "slippery slope" argument is just the default answer the homophobic, anti-homosexual, bigoted, and ignorant crowd cling to because they don't have any thing to stand on.
Oh and uhh...pretty sure that Zach Wahls is a stand-up citizen:
It's unconstitutional to discriminate against any group of people for any reason.
Really? I thought we discriminate against the criminals by taking away their freedom.
We discriminate against the minors by not allowing them to sign contracts or drink alcohol.
Against polygamists by taking away their freedom to take as many wives as they desire.
And against 50 thousands other groups society feels like discriminating against.
Stop spreading nonsense... Society and the laws that govern it, including the constitution, is not some "anything goes" arrangement
PS. And yes polygamists are most often adults who would like to enter into a polygamous, legally sanctioned marriage, with other consenting adults yet we have laws preventing it... Isn't that discrimination? LOL
Really? I thought we discriminate against the criminals by taking away their freedom.
Cute, but the difference between a criminal (be they heterosexual or homosexual) is that they break the law and as such are arrested and charged for their actions. There's no discrimination in meting out justice. Nice try though.
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We discriminate against the minors by not allowing them to sign contracts or drink alcohol.
Legal age of consent is 18, the age of adulthood.
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Against polygamists by taking away their freedom to take as many wives as they desire.
Why do we? If it's consenting adults, then why not allow them to marry?
And against 50 thousands other groups society feels like discriminating against.
Stop spreading nonsense... Society and the laws that govern it, including the constitution, is not some "anything goes" arrangement[/quote]
Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. You keep failing. Just stay inside your ignorant, bigotry filled mind. Lord knows that you'll never open your mind and disallow the unconstitutional actions barring homosexuals from the same rights that heterosexuals have. That's cool though - you support discrimination and are precisely what's wrong with this country today. Rebel indeed - clearly your true colors are shown.
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PS. And yes polygamists are most often adults who would like to enter into a polygamous, legally sanctioned marriage, with other consenting adults yet we have laws preventing it... Isn't that discrimination? LOL
It's not but I don't know it isn't allowed. Marriage predates religion, dude. Not sure where you're getting your stance from but apparently a hick like you (at least you come across as a country bumpkin) can't wrap your head around what the US Constitution is. Guess all you want is to protect the rights and benefits of other heterosexuals at the cost of others. You and your ilk are a detriment to this society. "The South will rise again"? LOL now that's a statement worth laughing at, hick.
Which form of traditional marriage, is the question. Before the 20th century, the most common form of marriage was the polygamous one - in which the male either took several wives or took a wife and several concubines/mistresses.
Where did all the females come from that allowed each man to have several wives?
Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. You keep failing. Just stay inside your ignorant, bigotry filled mind. Lord knows that you'll never open your mind and disallow the unconstitutional actions barring homosexuals from the same rights that heterosexuals have. That's cool though - you support discrimination and are precisely what's wrong with this country today. Rebel indeed - clearly your true colors are shown.
It's not but I don't know it isn't allowed. Marriage predates religion, dude. Not sure where you're getting your stance from but apparently a hick like you (at least you come across as a country bumpkin) can't wrap your head around what the US Constitution is. Guess all you want is to protect the rights and benefits of other heterosexuals at the cost of others. You and your ilk are a detriment to this society. "The South will rise again"? LOL now that's a statement worth laughing at, hick.
Reading such enlightened statements, filled with pure tolerance, I can't help but wonder: why the hell did we let them out of the closet??? It was so much better when they were all pretending to be normal.
Nobody is discriminating against gays: men cannot marry men for the same reason fathers cannot marry their own daughters - society believes such behavior is repulsive and socially undesirable.
Reading such enlightened statements, filled with pure tolerance, I can't help but wonder: why the hell did we let them out of the closet??? It was so much better when they were all pretending to be normal.
Nobody is discriminating against gays: men cannot marry men for the same reason fathers cannot marry their own daughters - society believes such behavior is repulsive.
Yup - tolerance and understanding from you alright.
I don't disagree that a father marrying his daughter is repulsive, but if they are two consenting adults and want to do so (for whatever reason) then why should they not be allowed to do so?
Denying homosexuals the right to marry their loved one (aka their partner) along with denying them the same benefits, rights, liberties, and freedoms as heterosexuals (which has been provided time and time again in this thread) is unconstitutional.
Say Christianity was outlawed and you weren't allowed the same benefits, freedoms, rights, and liberties as say...Muslims just for kicks. It's a hypothetical situation - which I know is hard for you to grasp but do your best to bear with me here - but do you not see how immoral and wrong that is? Just because you have a different life style from the "norm" (whatever that laughable notion is) means that you can't enjoy the freedoms, benefits, liberties, and rights guaranteed to ALL Americans.
That's the overall issue here and no amount of some "slippery slope" argument is going to disprove that fact.
I don't disagree that a father marrying his daughter is repulsive, but if they are two consenting adults and want to do so (for whatever reason) then why should they not be allowed to do so?
That's the overall issue here and no amount of some "slippery slope" argument is going to disprove that fact.
Again, because society finds certain behaviors repulsive and socially undesirable. For thousands of years marriage was an union between man and a woman and society does not see a reason to change that.
Again, because society finds certain behaviors repulsive and socially undesirable. For thousands of years marriage was an union between man and a woman and society does not see a reason to change that.
And for thousands of years prior to that, same sex marriage and marriage to many wives (not to mention making women property) were socially acceptable.
And for thousands of years prior to that, same sex marriage and marriage to many wives (not to mention making women property) were socially acceptable.
Your point?
You again are speaking in tongues: there was never gay marriage in any western culture. There was homosexuality and same sex cohabitation and you could probably stretch it to say say there were same-sex unions, but never anything sanctioned by the state and equal to heterosexual marriages.
As far as polygamy is concerned, again, it was never a part of Western culture.
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While it is a relatively new practice that same-sex couples are being granted the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly used by mixed-sexed couples, there is a long history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.
Unions do not equal marriages, marriage would be a union sanctioned by the state and equal with heterosexual marriage. We do not have a history of those.
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