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Old 08-03-2012, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda View Post
How long do homosexual couples stay together?

It seems as though promiscuity and short-term relationships are far more common in the homosexual world.

so why do we want to encourage marriage in this case, when it is likely that divorce rates or separations will be more common?
How long do heterosexual couples stay together? Does matter does it?

It only matters when homosexuals do it, not when heterosexuals do it.

How many married same-sex couples get divorced? How many heterosexual couples get divorced? I dare you to look into those numbers. Fact is, most same-sex marriages last longer than most heterosexual marriages.

 
Old 08-03-2012, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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Hardly... American Indians are hardly part of Western civilization which we are apart of, and you never proved that marriages between people of same sex were a part of that tradition.

If you want to provide clear evidence then quote a Roman law specifically instituting same sex marriages or even unions or even mentioning two men or two women in reference to marriage. Quote some written accounts of same-sex marriages or unions in ancient Rome.
Show some written accounts of same-sex marriage being a part of Christian civilization i.e. the past two thousand years of history in the Western World.
You gays really want to rationalize your affliction and quest for same-sex marriage but can't ever provide any EVIDENCE of same sex marriage being a part of tradition of the Western Civilization.

Same sex marriages are not a part of any tradition in the world as all four major religion of the world Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Judaism do not approve of homosexuality not to mention approval for same-sex unions and marriages. Where is that same-sex tradition then????
Why do you continue to relegate non "western civilizations"?
 
Old 08-03-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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Hardly... American Indians are hardly part of Western civilization which we are apart of, and you never proved that marriages between people of same sex were a part of that tradition.

If you want to provide clear evidence then quote a Roman law specifically instituting same sex marriages or even unions or even mentioning two men or two women in reference to marriage. Quote some written accounts of same-sex marriages or unions in ancient Rome.
Show some written accounts of same-sex marriage being a part of Christian civilization i.e. the past two thousand years of history in the Western World.
You gays really want to rationalize your affliction and quest for same-sex marriage but can't ever provide any EVIDENCE of same sex marriage being a part of tradition of the Western Civilization.

Same sex marriages are not a part of any tradition in the world as all four major religion of the world Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Judaism do not approve of homosexuality not to mention approval for same-sex unions and marriages. Where is that same-sex tradition then????
Your religions mean nothing in the debate of marriage. Marriage predates all modern religions. Your religion is a fairy tale, get over it.
 
Old 08-03-2012, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Hardly... American Indians are hardly part of Western civilization which we are apart of, and you never proved that marriages between people of same sex were a part of that tradition.

If you want to provide clear evidence then quote a Roman law specifically instituting same sex marriages or even unions or even mentioning two men or two women in reference to marriage. Quote some written accounts of same-sex marriages or unions in ancient Rome.
Show some written accounts of same-sex marriage being a part of Christian civilization i.e. the past two thousand years of history in the Western World.
You gays really want to rationalize your affliction and quest for same-sex marriage but can't ever provide any EVIDENCE of same sex marriage being a part of tradition of the Western Civilization.

Same sex marriages are not a part of any tradition in the world as all four major religion of the world Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Judaism do not approve of homosexuality not to mention approval for same-sex unions and marriages. Where is that same-sex tradition then????
If it wasn't legal in roman law, then why did Constantine write a law to make it illegal? Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3)
CONSTANTIUS II
THEODOSIAN CODE 9.7.3
Emperors Constantius and Constans to the people: When a male gives himself in marriage to a "woman" [sc. effeminate man], and what he wants is that the "woman" play the male role, where sex has lost its place, where the crime is such that it is better not to know it, where Venus is changed into a different shape, where love is sought but not found, we order laws to arise, justice to be armed with an avenging sword, so that the disgraced persons who are or in future shall be guilty may be subjected to exquisite penalties.
*** VIR NUBIT IN FEMINAM, FEMINA VIROS PROIECTURA QUID CUPIAT ...

So, if you notice it says WHEN a male gives himself in marriage to a "woman" (effeminate male).

To say WHEN then it has to be happening.

You can also see where it says "disgraced persons who are or in future shall be guilty may be subjected to exquisite penalties"
How were they married already if it was illegal?
 
Old 08-03-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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Why do you continue to relegate non "western civilizations"?

Because the US of A by the language spoken here and its history is part of the Western Civilization and not Islam or Orient?

Why is it so surprising? If we were part of any other civilization we would not have this conversation in the first place. You would like to be gay in a Muslim country?
 
Old 08-03-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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What does it matter if it's "traditional" or not?
 
Old 08-03-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Your religions mean nothing in the debate of marriage. Marriage predates all modern religions. Your religion is a fairy tale, get over it.

I don't think marriage predates religions... Religions are as old as our civilization and one could argue that before religion we had unions but only religions made these union "marriages", i.e. give these common unions some some bigger meaning, moral and social sanction.

My point is that you make no sense, there is no tradition of same-sex marriage in any of major world culture that survived to this day! Coincidence?

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Old 08-03-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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Right.
OKAY!

When the law says that people who ARE married are breaking the law, it means what?
In order for people to be already married, it had to be legal.

But nice try.
So Minnesota's law of 1974 de-legalizing gay marriage means that there were plenty of same-sex marriages in the state before 1974? LOL Nice try

Think a little: ancient Rome left a lot of very good, detailed, historical records, it's one of the best known civilizations.
Why aren't there are any historical reports of same-sex marriage? Why not even description of same-sex marriage besides crazy antics of two emperors who married their slaves, apparently just for kicks and to prove they are above the law...
Where is a single description of same-sex nuptials or marriage? Why there are no records of a same-sex married senators, generals, centurions, tax-collectors, emperors etc etc?

You are grasping at straws here and make your cause look stupid, or rather ignorant.
You can say thank you to activist nuts like Boswell, mixing history with politics.

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Old 08-03-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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So Minnesota's law of 1974 de-legalizing gay marriage means that there were plenty of same-sex marriages in the state before 1974? LOL Nice try

Think a little: ancient Rome left a lot of very good, detailed, historical records, it's one of the best known civilizations.
Why aren't there are any historical reports of same-sex marriage? Why not even description of same-sex marriage besides crazy antics of two emperors who married their slaves, apparently just for kicks and to prove they are above the law...
Where is a single description of same-sex nuptials or marriage? Why there are no records of a same-sex married senators, generals, centurions, tax-collectors, emperors etc etc?

You are grasping at straws here and make your cause look stupid, or rather ignorant.
You can say thank you to activist nuts like Boswell, mixing history with politics.
Prove that is was illegal before Constantine wrote a law to make it illegal.
 
Old 08-03-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I don't think marriage predates religions... Religions are as old as our civilization and one could argue that before religion we had unions but only religions made these union "marriages"
History actually proves that one wrong.
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