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Old 07-10-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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Sorry, it's a simple fact that reimbursement for physician practices is too low. In fact they lose money on certain procedures.
Without a Fix, Proposed 2012 CMS Physician Fee Schedule Could Have Serious Consequences > ASCO in Action

FLAWED SUSTAINABLE GROWTH RATE FORMULA:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) issued its proposed 2012 physician fee schedule which includes a projected 29.5 percent reduction to physician reimbursement due to the flawed Sustainable Growth Rate (SGR) formula.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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I know some doctors socially and they hated their careers before Obama ever even took office. They don't hate their careers more now; about half of them actually supported the healthcare bill and still do, while the ones who don't are primarily concerned about a potential reduction in their already substantial compensation.
OK genius, lets hear your opinion on what doctors take home in pay.
There are lots of general practitioners taking home well under $100k.
Specialists make more, but they usually don't start their careers until 30 years of age.

These people studied and worked extremely hard to become doctors. Now, every moron thinks they get to decide how much others make and what is fair. Stop bitching, it embarrassing.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Why are Americans more prone to abusing the system?
Because there are fewer gate keeper systems. The left will recoil in horror, but Europe rations healthcare. Americans will simply not wait a year for a new hip. Additionally defensive medicine plays a role. MDs will perform tests of marginal utility to fend off potential suits. Consumers have little incentive to question expensive procedures or medications.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Without a Fix, Proposed 2012 CMS Physician Fee Schedule Could Have Serious Consequences > ASCO in Action

FLAWED SUSTAINABLE GROWTH RATE FORMULA:

"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) issued its proposed 2012 physician fee schedule which includes a projected 29.5 percent reduction to physician reimbursement due to the flawed Sustainable Growth Rate (SGR) formula.
If you would like to make your head explode, look at the hoops MDs have to go through to get paid.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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OK genius, lets hear your opinion on what doctors take home in pay.
There are lots of general practitioners taking home well under $100k.
Specialists make more, but they usually don't start their careers until 30 years of age.

These people studied and worked extremely hard to become doctors. Now, every moron thinks they get to decide how much others make and what is fair. Stop bitching, it embarrassing.
Uh, the lowest paying field of medicine is pediatrics, at $156K. I'm guessing this is take-home, after expenses such as malpractice ins., etc.

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Old 07-10-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Because there are fewer gate keeper systems. The left will recoil in horror, but Europe rations healthcare. Americans will simply not wait a year for a new hip. Additionally defensive medicine plays a role. MDs will perform tests of marginal utility to fend off potential suits. Consumers have little incentive to question expensive procedures or medications.
Europe does not ration care as it is believed here.
If a Operation is non urgent it can be placed after a urgent Operation on a Doctors list but the OP. will go ahead ASAP. This waiting a year hardly happens now in the UK. My Daughter was diagnosed with a dysplagic hip at 20 and her Op was virtually immediate. Not sure where you are getting your time figures........ Even if there is a wait, that is far better than NO treatment at all as is the case for many here.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Because there are fewer gate keeper systems. The left will recoil in horror, but Europe rations healthcare. Americans will simply not wait a year for a new hip. Additionally defensive medicine plays a role. MDs will perform tests of marginal utility to fend off potential suits. Consumers have little incentive to question expensive procedures or medications.
It is obvious that your knowledge of healthcare delivery in other developed country is based on presentation by the media. But, we don't need to worry about that, but the issue that you believe Americas are somehow incapable of respecting a system, at least as much as people in other developed countries do, and would abuse it like there is no tomorrow.

So, how do they get away with it right now? You are, after all, involuntarily pointing at the old fashioned American health care system as being based on rationing. That, it needs to continue along those lines because having greater preventative access would be abusive as would more people finding affordability in accessing the system.

Should I start complaining about my annual co-pay being refunded now because now I might want to get the annual done every month or so?
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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Eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, according to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association.


The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients, surveyed a random selection of 699 doctors nationwide. The survey found that the majority have thought about bailing out of their careers over the legislation, which was upheld last month by the Supreme Court.


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The most over paid profession out there and they want to quit. I don't buy it. If they were teachers, you would say let them quit. If they want to quit, fine. There is a huge line for medical school applicants.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Not a viable solution overal healthcare costs are too high. In part because consumers of healthcare, for the most part, do not pay for it.
But mostly because you've placed private insurers - who maximize their income by taking as much as they can in premiums and paying out as little as at all possible - in the middle of the system. Hence the PPACA's requirement that private insurers pay out 80% of their premium income - and the subsequent screaming, yelling and rendering of garments from those insurers who'd gotten themselves used to spending, oh, a good one-third of their client's money.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Europe does not ration care as it is believed here.
If a Operation is non urgent it can be placed after a urgent Operation on a Doctors list but the OP. will go ahead ASAP. This waiting a year hardly happens now in the UK. My Daughter was diagnosed with a dysplagic hip at 20 and her Op was virtually immediate. Not sure where you are getting your time figures........ Even if there is a wait, that is far better than NO treatment at all as is the case for many here.
Waiting is rationing, to deny there isn't increased wait times isn't honest. No one is denying that health care needs to be reformed but simply the US model, which is more or less a less robust form of socialized medicine isn't the answer.
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