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Old 09-30-2007, 01:25 AM
 
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I think about 95% of the time I see a post by a conservative or hear them on TV, Radio, or the newspaper, they seem to describe everything as Far-Left, extreme-left, Ultra-left wing, etc and never say "Left". Is there even a distinction to you?

What exactly is the difference, or is it kinda like the 'duper' in SUPER-DUPER?

Just curious
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Old 09-30-2007, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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I would say...

Left = The liberals of the 40's and 50's. They still cared about working for the small person. They wanted to uphold our countrys ideals.

Far Left = No longer work for the small person, They shove there ideals down the throats of every man, They dont want to uphold the country's ideals. They want to change them. They want to force the programs on every person in the country (hillary care) And punish anyone that does not want to conform to their ideas. Anyone with differing oppinions are biggoted, homophobe, sexist ect.

Right - More conservative, less likely to change, more fiscaly responsable. Could be mistaken for someone twards the left under certain circumstances

Far right - Never open to change, will force ideals onto people that do not want them. Would like absolutly no government involvement in anything. ect.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:40 AM
 
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I would say...

Left = The liberals of the 40's and 50's. They still cared about working for the small person. They wanted to uphold our countrys ideals.

Far Left = No longer work for the small person, They shove there ideals down the throats of every man, They dont want to uphold the country's ideals. They want to change them. They want to force the programs on every person in the country (hillary care) And punish anyone that does not want to conform to their ideas. Anyone with differing oppinions are biggoted, homophobe, sexist ect.

Right - More conservative, less likely to change, more fiscaly responsable. Could be mistaken for someone twards the left under certain circumstances

Far right - Never open to change, will force ideals onto people that do not want them. Would like absolutly no government involvement in anything. ect.
I must disagree with you on a couple of points.

The "Far Right" does NOT want "absolutely no governmnet". They support government involvement on social issues, legislating "family values".

Actually, this might not be so much of a disagreement, but an expansion on what you stated. The "Left", is a dying breed, now known as moderates. They have been squeezed out by the "Far Left", i.e. Joseph Lieberman. They believe in family values, but believe that government has a role to ensure fiscal fairness.
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I qualify as simply 'left' with a big dash of 'right' thrown in
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Old 09-30-2007, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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Joe Lieberman is far left?? I don't think so...

left to me are people that actually understand their party and support what they stand for. far left tend to not understand anything except for one particular topic and they'll fight you to the death to support it, or at least be loud enough to drown out any dissenting opinion.. usually young students that will change eventually, after they get a dose of the "real world".. but actually controlled by socialist adults that will pay big bucks to get their little nirvana spread around the country, by ignorant people that don't know any better...
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:03 AM
 
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Do the terms liberal and conservative even apply anymore in their original context? The progressive or liberal used to be just that p r o g r e s s i v e. The conservative right used to literally mean traditional or c o n s e r v e. Yet today with so many factions of hard left, neoconservative, big L or little l, compassionate conservative (one of my favorites) etc.. the actual meanings seem to stand for nothing anymore.

Anymore I look at it in terms of governmentalist and humanist. Those who desire to have the government lay down all the rules that govern our individual lives, provide all the social services, legislate morality and behavior, all determining what each person is worth to society both socially and monetarily. The humanist thinking that adults are still capable of self discipline, accountability for behavior, freedom to determine their own level of humanitarianism, and their own self determination of worth in society.

The former, which is clearly where we are heading in general, leading to laziness, emotionally reactionary, ignorance and intolerance. The latter requiring more effort to stem the greater risk, personal growth, accountability, etc...

What is worst, setting the bar of standards too high and not reaching or setting it low and reaching it?
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I think about 95% of the time I see a post by a conservative or hear them on TV, Radio, or the newspaper, they seem to describe everything as Far-Left, extreme-left, Ultra-left wing, etc and never say "Left". Is there even a distinction to you?

What exactly is the difference, or is it kinda like the 'duper' in SUPER-DUPER?

Just curious
Far left is Communist, left is Socialist and just left of center are Future Republicans.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:29 AM
 
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What is it if you would support the maximum exercise of individual rights consistent with a responsibility to respect the exercise of those same rights by others, coupled with a desire to see the public sector act in consonance with individual rights to promote an orderly society and to provide public goods and services (i.e., those the private sector cannot or does not provide efficiently) that benefit its citizens?
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:16 AM
 
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It is unlikely that the US has registered or has a serious communist party.

Socialist and socialism are not imo synonymous. I don't consider liberals, or progressives either far left, or left, but they are left of moderates.

Moderates probably make up the bulk of the Democratic electorate, and moderates probably dominant the Republican party.

However, in recent years, these present years, not only have we begun to categorize folks too quickly, but wrongly, and we are creating major rifts within our society that are damaging.

The political system needs an overhaul, but it doesn't help to perpetuate divisions within our country. Fundamentally, I believe people want to live their lives meaningfully, pay a fair price at the market, and see that they and their children have a future and a present!

If we continue to name-call, use slurs and make innuendos about "the other" it will bite us badly in the end--and the end can be tomorrow or years from today--but it will catch up with us all.



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Far left is Communist, left is Socialist and just left of center are Future Republicans.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:32 AM
 
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What is it if you would support the maximum exercise of individual rights consistent with a responsibility to respect the exercise of those same rights by others, coupled with a desire to see the public sector act in consonance with individual rights to promote an orderly society and to provide public goods and services (i.e., those the private sector cannot or does not provide efficiently) that benefit its citizens?
That would appear to be the classical definition of liberalism, but in truth I simply don't know anymore.

I often wonder if it isn't best to scrap 95% of the Federal government and strip it to its essential role as defined strictly by the constitution and rebuild from there. I ask myself, is it worth the time and cost to repair what is broken compared to starting from scratch. The cost to managing military, governmental programs, the wide variety of federal departments at some point becomes cost prohibitive, wasteful, and inefficient as well as less secure.

I don't know what is the right balance between what the individual should be asked to do and what the government should provide for society but I do know this much, that I personally can live within a much smaller footprint and with not that much effort.
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