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Defending treason won't make it any less anti-American. Sorry.
Like the confederate south in the civil war, the Tea Party is full of anti-American traitors who want to destroy the union from inside out.
dont worry, both the democrat and republican parties are full of people that would rather have the USA become a subject of the UN, and have the UN run the USA.
traitors there if you ask anyone.
remember, the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with both the blood of patriots and traitors.
Seriously? It was the Confederate States of America who fought a war to keep slavery, not the United States of America. Slavery is a part of American History, but the American flag does not represent a fight to continue the practice. The Confederate flag does. It also reminds us of Jim Crow laws and the southern states' resistance to allow equal rights for non-whites. The Civil Rights Movement was another fight over "state rights". Why is it that the biggest fights over state rights involve a bunch of angry, hateful people who are upset over losing their "right" to discriminate against people and treat them like sub-humans?
Some of you seem to think that the states fighting back on these things were a wonderful thing and that there is something off with those of us who can't see it your way and agree that states should be allowed to do things like enslave people because of thier skin color or discriminate against people on the basis of race, gender or religion. The Confederate rag is nothing but a symbol of hatred, atrocity, white privilege and a time where discrimination was legal, a time when non-whites had no rights and whites in the south did everything within their power to keep it that way. Thank God they lost that battle. I am sure you know exactly what the flag represents. You are free to wave it and I am free to say exactly what I see when I look at it. Maybe the next time the Tea Party rides through, I'll burn one.
Abraham Lincoln, the President of the United States at the time, and the United States of America didn't see them as loyal Americans.
Traitors is a better label. Glad they lost. Let those fools try that crap again.
no one has proven yet that secession is illegal or unconstitutional. in fact it isnt, and ole abe violated the constitution to instill his beliefs on others.
how do you figure secessionists is traitorous? I dont ever remember seeing any scotus ruling saying secessions was unconstitutional. oh darn thats right, no scotus has ever ruled that yet. only the military way has ever said it was illegal, not the lawful way.
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no one has proven yet that secession is illegal or unconstitutional. in fact it isnt, and ole abe violated the constitution to instill his beliefs on others.
OK, so why don't you prove that it is not illegal or unconstitutional?
Anyone who advocates secession is not an American in my book. That is why I've always been suspicious of the Tea Party. I find them to be a subversive, anti-American movement with a hidden agenda to destroy the United States and roll back all the progress we've made as a nation over the decades. If Teabaggers want to secede, why don't they just pack up and leave America en masse? No one is forcing them to be here. In fact, America would be a much better place without them.
Seriously? It was the Confederate States of America who fought a war to keep slavery, not the United States of America. Slavery is a part of American History, but the American flag does not represent a fight to continue the practice. The Confederate flag does. It also reminds us of Jim Crow laws and the southern states' resistance to allow equal rights for non-whites. The Civil Rights Movement was another fight over "state rights". Why is it that the biggest fights over state rights involve a bunch of angry, hateful people who are upset over losing their "right" to discriminate against people and treat them like sub-humans?
Some of you seem to think that the states fighting back on these things were a wonderful thing and that there is something off with those of us who can't see it your way and agree that states should be allowed to do things like enslave people because of thier skin color or discriminate against people on the basis of race, gender or religion. The Confederate rag is nothing but a symbol of hatred, atrocity, white privilege and a time where discrimination was legal, a time when non-whites had no rights and whites in the south did everything within their power to keep it that way. Thank God they lost that battle. I am sure you know exactly what the flag represents. You are free to wave it and I am free to say exactly what I see when I look at it. Maybe the next time the Tea Party rides through, I'll burn one.
Seriously, it was the United States of America that brought slaves here. It was the United States of America that overthrew an elected prime minister of Iran and imposed the brutal shah of the people. It's the United States of America that carpet drone bombed civilians in Pakistan. It's the United States of America that has the worst education system in the western world and the least healthy residents.
If the Confederate flag represents slavery, then the American flag represents murder, opporession, preemptive war, obesity, stupidity, jingoism, death, destruction, and a has-been country that still hasn't seen the light of it's own demise.
But please, feel free to go and worship your omnipotent government, for it can do no wrong.
They are showing their "true colors", re: patriotism and the U.S., by doing such things. That should be enough for anyone with a working brain in their head to reject "tea party" rhetoric.
OK, so why don't you prove that it is not illegal or unconstitutional?
Anyone who advocates secession is not an American in my book. That is why I've always been suspicious of the Tea Party. I find them to be a subversive, anti-American movement with a hidden agenda to destroy the United States and roll back all the progress we've made as a nation over the decades. If Teabaggers want to secede, why don't they just pack up and leave America en masse? No one is forcing them to be here. In fact, America would be a much better place without them.
Another History lesson...( I boldened the key elements) Declaration of Independence
[SIZE=5]W[/SIZE]e hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Further More Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
OK, so why don't you prove that it is not illegal or unconstitutional?
Anyone who advocates secession is not an American in my book. That is why I've always been suspicious of the Tea Party. I find them to be a subversive, anti-American movement with a hidden agenda to destroy the United States and roll back all the progress we've made as a nation over the decades. If Teabaggers want to secede, why don't they just pack up and leave America en masse? No one is forcing them to be here. In fact, America would be a much better place without them.
secession is not illegal or unconstitutional, as it is not even mentioned in the Constitution. what is mentioned is talked about in the 10th Amendment.
you would find that most people who believe in secession love their country but cant stand their goverment.
you talk about leave the USA, why not have the people that want more goverment instead of limited goverment as intended by our founding documents, have those that want more goverment leave the USA instead.
also, in case you dont know, it is the tea party and not teabaggers. just because you dont like it does not mean you should degrade someone else because of their political beliefs. if you want to call them teabaggers, then you should not mind having democrats being called socialists, nazis, communists and racists.
Another History lesson...( I boldened the key elements) Declaration of Independence
[SIZE=5]W[/SIZE]e hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Further More Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Ever heard of something called elections? That is how you change a government in a democracy. Losing an election is no excuse for overthrowing an elected government through undemocratic means. The overwhelming majority of Americans voted this Government in. Teabaggers are but a minority in the population. If Teabaggers are not happy with the current Government, they can try again the next election. That is how Democracy works.
Ever heard of something called elections? That is how you change a government in a democracy. Losing an election is no excuse for overthrowing an elected government through undemocratic means. The overwhelming majority of Americans voted this Government in. Teabaggers are but a minority in the population. If Teabaggers are not happy with the current Government, they can try again the next election. That is how Democracy works.
soap box, ballot box and cartridge box.
we have used 2 of these with little to no effect on the federal goverment, only one box left.
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It was the Confederate States of America who fought a war to keep slavery, not the United States of America. Slavery is a part of American History, but the American flag does not represent a fight to continue the practice. The Confederate flag does. It also reminds us of Jim Crow laws and the southern states' resistance to allow equal rights for non-whites. The Civil Rights Movement was another fight over "state rights". Why is it that the biggest fights over state rights involve a bunch of angry, hateful people who are upset over losing their "right" to discriminate against people and treat them like sub-humans? 
You are free to wave it and I am free to say exactly what I see when I look at it. Maybe the next time the Tea Party rides through, I'll burn one.
Wish I could rep you again. Excellent post.
