Make a case for the normality of homosexual culture and behavior (military, terrorist)

[filihok]

Originally Posted by RobinD69

HIV, AIDS, STDs, an anus was never meant as a sexual organ, it has thin walls and can tear easily and feces cause further problems in health.

I've never torn anyone's anus nor given them HIV, AIDS or an STD.

Now for damaging others you can't help but see them in public and when children see them you can't help but address their questions.

So it is true. You favor ignorance to education.

Special rights and liberties for a very small outspoken minority.

It is no special right.
Any man would be able to marry any other man
Any woman would be able to marry any other woman
Regardless of whether or not they were homosexual or heterosexual.
How is that a 'special' right?

Sex outside of marriage is abnormal and wrong, but within the marriage bonds sex is fine.

Sex outside of marriage is wrong.

Sex with you is abnormal and wrong, but sex with me is fine.

I have provided as much evidence to support my statement as you have yours

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by RobinD69

HIV, AIDS, STDs, an anus was never meant as a sexual organ, it has thin walls and can tear easily and feces cause further problems in health. Now for damaging others you can't help but see them in public and when children see them you can't help but address their questions.

Both heterosexuals, and homosexuals have anal sex. STDs do not discriminate based on orientation.

My point is the such a small % of the people are forcing the majority to acknowledge many aspect of their lifestyle while the majority is shot down for express their dislike.

The majority can not shoot down rights for people they don't like.


Child porn is wrong just as porn is wrong.

Who said anything about porn?

True and looking at child porn or porn would be an act.

You don't have to look at porn to be attracted to someone.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by adiosToreador

How do you make the leap of someone defending homosexuality (as is a God given, Constitutional right in this country) meaning they support or agree with pedophilia/bestiality? Logical fallacy, much?

I would suggest you search and read some of things that are out there. If some of your ilk had there way, homosexuality would be a requirement and forced upon people.

If you don't like what some of your brood are saying, then I suggest you find a way to silence them, because they're not helping your cause.

Originally Posted by adiosToreador

What's next? You support terrorism...

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Googling not leaping....

Mircea

Originally Posted by seattlenextyear

Homosexual acts are between 2 consenting adults. Heterosexual acts are between 2 consenting adults. Pedophiles have sex with a non-consenting child.

Do you see the difference?

I see confused people grasping at straws.

The fact that two people consent to do something does make the act legitimate.

See below.

Differentiating...

Mircea

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Bestiality is NOT "similar to being gay."

If the dog doesn't run away, then it's consenting, right?

Originally Posted by TriMT7

..., but here's the position of the American Psychological Association, which mirrors the position of other mainstream organizations on human sexuality and development...

Their position was coerced by threats and intimidation, and many psychologists do not agree with the APA board's assessment.

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Hopefully that clears a few things up for you. Feel free to wallow in ignorance all you want if you want to reject prevailing science...

That is not science, that is pseudo-science.

Science is Universal, meaning it applies everywhere all the time and always has and always will.

A bunch of skewed statistical data hedged with Weasel Words like "maybe," "might," "possibly," "perhaps" etc etc etc is not science.

Scientifically...

Mircea

Originally Posted by Jaymax

Your entire illogical rant can be undermined by one word: Contraception.

Typical response by someone who just got steam-rolled into the gutter.

Originally Posted by Jaymax

And they are ALL about denigrating gay people.

It's an abnormal unhealthy obsession bordering on mental illness.

Actually, no the people who need their behavior validated are the ones who always act out, regardless of what that behavior is. You need to take more psychology courses at your local university.

Reality bites...

Mircea

Originally Posted by filihok

Would anyone accept heterosexuality?

Because that's humans evolved.

It's also how humans fulfill their primary function on Planet Earth.

If you thought you're primary purpose was to build bridges and highways and make music and paint things, you're wrong. Those are merely incidental to primary function.

Pointing out the obvious....

Mircea

Originally Posted by jjrose

There is nothing "normal" about anyone not involved in my personal life having any say in my personal life.

I asked the same question when Obama rammed Obamacare down everyone's throats.

So, time to own up....do you support Obamacare? Because if you do, you just contradicted yourself and admitted that you're an hypocrite.

Personally...

Mircea

Originally Posted by nimchimpsky

Acting on pedophilia involves forcing sex on a non-consenting party--also known as rape. Are you able to tell the difference between consensual sex and rape?

Yes, I was a detective sergeant and investigated cases of rape and pedophilia for prosecution.

Originally Posted by nimchimpsky

Homosexuality between two consenting adults is harmless. An adult raping a child is harmful.

Why do you assert that consensual same-sex acts are harmful? On what basis?

Why do you assert that they are not?

An adulterous affair is consensual, no?

And look at the harm and damage that is done, not only to the two consenting adults, but to others operating in the spheres of their lives.

Why do you think the US military punishes adultery? Because it is incredibly harmful, damaging and destructive, even though it takes place between two consenting adults.

Is adultery normal? Perhaps we should legalize adultery, in that way when a spouse commits adultery, the victim party cannot file for divorce for cause. That would kind of put a damper on pre-nuptial agreements.

The fact that two people consent to do anything does not make it legal, or legitimate, or normal or right or correct or proper or anything else, and it certainly does not make it harmless.

Your logic is seriously flawed. You should take more philosophy courses at university.

Originally Posted by filihok

Of course homosexuality is just like murder, war (war is entirely legal, for your information) and theft in that it involves individuals who did not give consent, right? Wrong. Or, in your seemingly preferred vernacular, fail.

No, the fail is your pathetic attempt to misrepresent my position. Consent is not the issue.

These people made these statements...

Originally Posted by hammertime33

Homosexuality has been recorded by man ever since man began recording what man does.

Originally Posted by jjrose

Homosexuality has been around as long as man has walked the earth. Therefore it is a normal thing.

...and to summarize their flawed logic, if something has existed for a long time then it is normal and should be accepted.

Since murder, war, rape, theft and many other unpleasant things have been around as long as humans, then based on their logic, we should just accept it and decriminalize it.

Originally Posted by filihok

No one in their right mind should care what a 2000 year old comic book character has to say about a topic.

I said....

Originally Posted by Mircea

So has rape, but then according to Jesus, it isn't rape if you marry the person, so perhaps we should love and respect rapists as well.

...which indicates that you are totally bereft of any sense of humor.

I'm an Atheist, and I use that demonstrate to christians that as an Atheist, I am morally superior to Jesus, since unlike Jesus, I recognize rape as a peremptory norm under jus cogens, meaning it is never justifiable....and never means "at no time ever."

That means if an heterosexual man and woman are the only two human survivors remaining on Planet Earth, and the woman does not want to have sexual relations, then that is the end of the Human Race, and rape is not justified, not even in that instance.

Originally Posted by filihok

Does every member of every species reproduce in order to perpetuate the species?

I'll give you the answer - no. Take ants for example,

You forgot to mention this part....

Because ant social structure is very complex and individual ants are relatively simple, an ant colony can be thought of as a single organism, and the individual ants as cells or limbs of the organism, as the individuals can rarely survive on their own.

And you also forgot to mention that female worker ants are typically born sterile and cannot reproduce.

Still, it does not alter the fact that it requires a female and a male, not two males, and not two females.

Originally Posted by filihok

So what? So is being attracted to blonds, brunettes, tall people, short people, skinny people, fat people, whatever.

If evolution supported homosexuality, then there'd be a clitoris in the anus, right?

You might want to take some zoology courses so you can understand evolution.

Originally Posted by filihok

Again, plenty of species thrive on the planet without all members of the species reproducing.

I'm looking at the group as a whole, you have to single out individuals.

Originally Posted by filihok

Neutral you say?

Yes, unlike you, I don't engage in dishonest discourse. What is true is true, and yes it is true that there can be neutral outcomes.

Originally Posted by filihok

So, bald people shouldn't be allowed to marry? Their hair fails to fulfill its purpose

Again, you're grasping at straws and misrepresenting the facts.

This person said....

Originally Posted by hammertime33

It's normal in the same way predominantly using one's left hand is normal or having red hair is normal (if you want to switch over to physical human characteristics).

...to which my response was the color of the hair does not impair the function and purpose of hair, so the analogy fails.

Regardless, hair or lack of and its color and texture and length have no bearing on reproduction.

Originally Posted by filihok

There are heterosexuals that cannot fulfill or perform their procreative functions as well. Then can marry.

Not relevant. We are discussing the function and purpose of humans, not individual people. To the extent that it may possibly be relevant, their choice not to reproduce does not alter the fact that their primary purpose on Planet Earth is to reproduce.

I'm still waiting for one of you to demonstrate that the penis and anus were biologically designed to be coupled.

I mention that only because philosophically, the fact that one can do something does not logically presume that one ought to do something.

Just because you can stick a screw-driver in your eyeball, it doesn't logically follow that you should do that or that you ought you do that.

You can spin it anyway you want, and make all manner of failed analogies, but at the end of the day, homosexuality is an abnormal and deviant sexual behavior, no different than bisexuality, necrophilia, zoophilia, pedophilia or paraphilia.

Maybe this will help. When we contrast heterosexuality with deviant and abnormal sexual behaviors....



...see how that works?

Perhaps this is more appropriate....



....get it?

Behaviorally...

Mircea

[seattlenextyear]

Mircea: I am so confused. Am I allowed to have heterosexual butt sex or not?

[adiosToreador]

Originally Posted by Mircea

I would suggest you search and read some of things that are out there. If some of your ilk had there way, homosexuality would be a requirement and forced upon people.

Okay what are you on about? So defending the rights of other Americans in this country is the same as forcing a sexual life style onto others? Do you even comprehend what you write?

If you don't like what some of your brood are saying, then I suggest you find a way to silence them, because they're not helping your cause.

What are you on about? Stick to the topic at hand please. Thanks.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Googling not leaping....

Mircea

So you support terrorism too, huh?

Using the ellipsis incorrectly as always

Mircea

[seattlenextyear]

Wait, what about blow jobs? I'm kinda a big fan of oral sex. Is that allowed. Role Playing? That sounds kind of deviant. Is doggy style permitted? Can I be on top or do we always have to do it missionary style?


Will someone please tell me exactly what I am allowed do in the bedroom in order to not offend the precious children of America?!

[hammertime33]

Originally Posted by Mircea

...and to summarize their flawed logic, if something has existed for a long time then it is normal and should be accepted.

Since murder, war, rape, theft and many other unpleasant things have been around as long as humans, then based on their logic, we should just accept it and decriminalize it.

Hahahahahaha. Nice try - that's not my argument or logic at all. I've never understood the social conservative's need to equal "normal" or "natural" with "moral". Well, actually I think I do get it. They start by defining moral and acceptable based on some arbitrary book that they think constitutes the "Truth" and that describes this Moral Order as having been designed and created by some intelligent, omnipotent being. Since this is the only "Truth," and since it's been designed by their "God," it is both the Moral Order and the normal and natural way of things (how could it be otherwise?). They define "natural" and "normal" on the basis of their arbitrarily derived moral viewpoint.

I simply was answering a question that asked why homosexuality is normal. It is normal - it's within the normal range of human behavior - it describes a common and standard type of human being. And it is natural - it's found throughout nature. While I do find it homosexuality acceptable, I don't find it acceptable because it is normal and natural. I don't conflate those concepts. There are things that are normal and natural that are moral and acceptable, and there are things that are normal and natural that are immoral and not acceptable. I find homosexuality acceptable because it causes no harm. To the contrary, it brings joy, happiness, and health to homosexuals and to their families and to the people who love them.

[hamellr]

Originally Posted by RobinD69

HIV, AIDS, STDs, an anus was never meant as a sexual organ, it has thin walls and can tear easily and feces cause further problems in health.

Not sure what kind of anal sex you're having, but may I suggest using a lot more lube and starting out slower?

[hamellr]

Originally Posted by RobinD69

Sex outside of marriage is wrong.

Why do you think some Homosexual couples want to get married?

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by Mircea

I asked the same question when Obama rammed Obamacare down everyone's throats.

So, time to own up....do you support Obamacare? Because if you do, you just contradicted yourself and admitted that you're an hypocrite.

Personally...

Mircea

I don't really care for Obamacare. Something needs to be done, but this isn't it.

Originally Posted by Mircea

An adulterous affair is consensual, no?

And look at the harm and damage that is done, not only to the two consenting adults, but to others operating in the spheres of their lives.

Why do you think the US military punishes adultery? Because it is incredibly harmful, damaging and destructive, even though it takes place between two consenting adults.

Is adultery normal? Perhaps we should legalize adultery, in that way when a spouse commits adultery, the victim party cannot file for divorce for cause. That would kind of put a damper on pre-nuptial agreements.

The fact that two people consent to do anything does not make it legal, or legitimate, or normal or right or correct or proper or anything else, and it certainly does not make it harmless.

Your logic is seriously flawed. You should take more philosophy courses at university.

If the spouse of the person having an adulterous affair did not consent, then of course it is harmful to that person. It would also be introducing a third person to the relationship, even if one party doesn't know about it. That has nothing to do with TWO consenting adults in a relationship.

Originally Posted by Mircea

...and to summarize their flawed logic, if something has existed for a long time then it is normal and should be accepted.

Since murder, war, rape, theft and many other unpleasant things have been around as long as humans, then based on their logic, we should just accept it and decriminalize it.

Considering that rape, war, murder, and theft are all things that happen TO people without their consent, they should not be made legal.

Again, that has nothing to do with two consenting adults in a relationship.

Originally Posted by Mircea

If evolution supported homosexuality, then there'd be a clitoris in the anus, right?

You might want to take some zoology courses so you can understand evolution.

Ever heard of the prostate? YOU might want to study biology, and anatomy.

Originally Posted by Mircea

I'm still waiting for one of you to demonstrate that the penis and anus were biologically designed to be coupled.

Prostate. Again, look it up.