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View Poll Results: Which do you think should happen?
Marriage for all. 45 52.33%
Civil unions for all. 8 9.30%
No government recognition. 22 25.58%
Other. Please explain. 11 12.79%
Voters: 86. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-12-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Marriage should stay between 1 man and 1 woman, husband and wife.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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There are no extra-legal rights, no natural rights, no inherent rights, no unalienable rights; there are only legal rights. There are no rights without law, no rights contrary to law, no rights superior to law. That’s the way it is, the way it must be, and no other way. Get used to it.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:50 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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God is a man made concept.
A book written by men 2000 years ago has nothing to do with the laws of this country in 2012.

Homosexuality doesn't cause damage any more than heterosexuality does..
That leaves us at an impasse, then, doesn't it? Bring on the culture wars.

I have repeatedly posted links to stats and documentation concerning the physical, emotional, and social harm of homosexuality. They have been ignored or denounced as "biased". It's pointless.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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There are no extra-legal rights, no natural rights, no inherent rights, no unalienable rights; there are only legal rights. There are no rights without law, no rights contrary to law, no rights superior to law. That’s the way it is, the way it must be, and no other way. Get used to it.
Total nonsense and a recipe for absolute tyranny. Not to mention civil war.

What are you, the re-incarnation of Sir Thomas Hobbes? Nietzsche? Perhaps a sitting member of SCOTUS?
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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That leaves us at an impasse, then, doesn't it? Bring on the culture wars.

I have repeatedly posted links to stats and documentation concerning the physical, emotional, and social harm of homosexuality. They have been ignored or denounced as "biased". It's pointless.
I have also posted links to peer reviewed studies that say homosexuality does none of what you say.

Impasse it is. We will see who turns out to be right in time.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:03 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Impasse it is. We will see who turns out to be right in time.
We will see who prevails legally in time. Which is not the same thing as "who turns out to be right".
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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Natural rights are simple nonsense. Quoting John Locke will get you nowhere in court; and without a legal basis for your claim of right, you’ll be SOL. Natural rights are a fiction - a philosophical construct - airy nothings. Real rights are legal rights - rights provided and protected by law. You will learn for yourself the true source and nature of your rights when you have need to enforce them. God-given rights are only good in heaven; natural rights are no good in court; and in this life, one need have recourse to the law.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:27 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Natural rights are simple nonsense. Quoting John Locke will get you nowhere in court; and without a legal basis for your claim of right, you’ll be SOL. Natural rights are a fiction - a philosophical construct - airy nothings. Real rights are legal rights - rights provided and protected by law. You will learn for yourself the true source and nature of your rights when you have need to enforce them. God-given rights are only good in heaven; natural rights are no good in court; and in this life, one need have recourse to the law.
Personally, I'm not a fan of John Locke or of rights theory in general. But natural rights do exist. Why? Because moral duties also exist. If I have a moral duty to provide for my child, then my child has a natural right to be provided for. And so forth.

If you reject natural rights altogether, you reject the very existence of morality. All that exists for you is power.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:58 PM
 
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No. And, furthermore, morals have nothing to do with the law.
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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Because that violates the equal protections clause of the constitution.
So, assuming you voted for #1, this must mean you condone marriage between any two adults such as a mother and son, father and daughter, aunt and nephew.....and on and on?
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