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Old 07-12-2012, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Majority Black city that fails to educate its young people adequetely, so logical conclusion sue the school district?

As if simply throwing more money at the problem will fix anything. Oh well I guess something has to be done.
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The ACLU class-action lawsuit, to be filed Thursday, says hundreds of students in the Highland Park School District are functionally illiterate.

“None of those adults charged with the care of these children . . . have done their jobs,” said Kary L. Moss, executive director of the ACLU of Michigan. “The Highland Park School District is among the lowest-performing districts in the nation, graduating class after class of children who are not literate. Our lawsuit . . . says that if education is to mean anything, it means that children have a right to learn to read.”
The complaint, to be filed in state court in Wayne County, is based on a 1993 state law that says if public school students are not proficient in reading, as determined by tests given in grades 4 and 7, they must be provided “special assistance” to bring them to grade level within a year.
Sample of students' writing here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010...%20Samples.pdf

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One student in the Highland Park district, a 14-year-old boy named Quentin, just finished seventh grade. Quentin, whose mother asked that his last name be withheld, reads at a first-grade level, according to an expert hired by the ACLU.
When asked to compose a letter to Snyder to describe his school, Quentin misspelled his own name, writing, “My name is Quemtin . . . and you can make the school gooder by geting people that will do the jod that is pay for get a football tame for the kinds mybe a baksball tamoe get a other jamtacher for the school get a lot of tacher.”
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:05 AM
 
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Many if not most in the right wing conclude that most of the blame falls on teachers and schools.

Do you agree with them or not???????????

Crickets..
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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Many if not most in the right wing conclude that most of the blame falls on teachers and schools.

Do you agree with them or not???????????

Crickets..
I think most of them start with the parents first....but all that does is set off another pointless rounds of finger pointing and cries of racism so I think *duh* pretty much everyone acknowledges it's first and foremost the parents and move on to other possible problems with the scenario.

P.S. The vast majority of troubled schools like this are in areas with a negligible number of conservatives. Thus I find it funny that the ones most concerned are generally not living in those areas and also funny that the libs in the area are afraid to tackle the root problem lest they offend anyone.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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The student listed is in the 7th grade and cannot hardly read or write. Though it's also his parents' job to help educate him, it's the school system's job not to pass him onto the next grade if he can't read or write. He's now in the 7th grade and writes at an elementary school grade level. What's wrong with this picture?
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:12 AM
 
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I think most of them start with the parents first....but all that does is set off another pointless rounds of finger pointing and cries of racism so I think *duh* pretty much everyone acknowledges it's first and foremost the parents and move on to other possible problems with the scenario.
Really, I rarely if ever see a thread on here or hear a pundit blame parents for poor academic performance. Care to show me a few???
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:18 AM
 
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Many if not most in the right wing conclude that most of the blame falls on teachers and schools.

Do you agree with them or not???????????

Crickets..
Of course their teachers were not doing their jobs, if they kept passing illiterate students on to the next grade.

Their parents probably just assumed their kids were getting an education. I have to wonder, because it seems like these parents never read books with their children, and apparently never helped them with their homework.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:23 AM
 
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Of course their teachers were not doing their jobs, if they kept passing illiterate students on to the next grade.

Their parents probably just assumed their kids were getting an education. I have to wonder, because it seems like these parents never read books with their children, and apparently never helped them with their homework.
the OP probably disagrees with you, he is mocking the ACLU who had this to say

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“None of those adults charged with the care of these children . . . have done their jobs,” said Kary L. Moss, executive director of the ACLU of Michigan
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Many if not most in the right wing conclude that most of the blame falls on teachers and schools.

Do you agree with them or not???????????

Crickets..
I'm not certain if that's true but I definitely don't think it's solely or even mostly the teachers' fault. Liberals have removed discipline from the school so it's a challenge getting these kids to sit still and learn.

Still based on the article it appears some fault lies with the teachers as they appear to simply be warehousing the kids.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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the OP probably disagrees with you, he is mocking the ACLU who had this to say
"None" as in not the teachers, and not the parents.

It makes a person wonder what kind of circumstances exist, and what pressures are being placed on teachers and staff, that would cause them to advance illiterate children to the next grade.
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Many if not most in the right wing conclude that most of the blame falls on teachers and schools.

Do you agree with them or not???????????

Crickets..
Yes, the obstacles that block improvements to the public education system are the unions and the lack of reforms addressing tenure.

Eliminate the unions and reform the tenure system, and also get take the pseudo-federal government out of the equation and you'll see massive improvement.

Blaming...

Mircea
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