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Old 07-22-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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Then I guess the moral of the story is don't engage in cover-ups of criminal acts.

If it were up to me, I'd levy civil rights violations on university officials, and cut off all federal aid to PU, ooops, PSU, including barring the use of Pell Grants and federally-backed student loans, plus cut off all R&D money.

Morally...


Mircea



It's more than just appalling. Had the university addressed those issues head-on instead of covering them up, none of this would be happening right now.



Exactly.

I'm not sure which is more disgusting, the fact that the university violated the civil rights of the victims and their families in addition to covering up heinous crimes, or the fact that people are defending Paterno and the university.

Concurring...

Mircea
Yeah, let's hurt innocent students, teachers and their families...good plan
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Wow, so 2 wrongs make a right? Really? it's okay to hurt others because someone else has been hurt, gotcha
Are you seriously comparing the hurt done to a child by an adult rapist to the hurt done to a school through the rightful punishment of its football program because university administrators and the head coach covered up and thereby facilitated the rape of innocent children?
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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Are you seriously comparing the hurt done to a child by an adult rapist to the hurt done to a school through the rightful punishment of its football program because university administrators and the head coach covered up and thereby facilitated the rape of innocent children?
Are YOU seriously telling me, it's okay to hurt INNOCENT people to get revenge?
Punish the actual ones responsible.
Taking away grants etc for students is going to affect the students and their families
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Are YOU seriously telling me, it's okay to hurt INNOCENT people to get revenge?
Punish the actual ones responsible.
Taking away grants etc for students is going to affect the students and their families
It isn't revenge. It's called punishment. And that punishment is the result of those at Penn State who covered up crimes against children and facilitated the rape of children. Do you think it is wrong to send a criminal to jail because his family members will be hurt by his incarceration?

If Penn State cares about the grant money that might be affected because of an as-of-yet unknown punishment of the school's football program, then Penn State will undoubtedly find that money somewhere else in its extensive coffers.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Not sure what killing off the football programs does other than possible restoring some sense of priority at PSU, but I prefer a wholesale massacre of the administration. So far we have AD Tim Curley (suspension), and VP for finance Gary Schultz, Trustee Steve Garban (resigned), Graham Spanier(resigned), Thomas Harmon former head of campus police (needs to be in jail).
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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It isn't revenge. It's called punishment. And that punishment is the result of those at Penn State who covered up crimes against children and facilitated the rape of children. Do you think it is wrong to send a criminal to jail because his family members will be hurt by his incarceration?

If Penn State cares about the grant money that might be affected because of an as-of-yet unknown punishment of the school's football program, then Penn State will undoubtedly find that money somewhere else in its extensive coffers.
Apples to Oranges: your comparison
For you, it's all about Penn State the entity...have you thought about the individual PEOPLE who could be affected by this?
A handful of people were involved in this scandal..those people should be the ones paying, not the entire body of students, and faculty
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:55 PM
 
Location: NJ
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When the 1950s betting scandal broke (College BB), NYU was winning the NIT or amongst finalists often, it was THE tourney at the time, and they voluntarily eliminated playing basketball. That was the right thing to do, and its unfortunate in this era, the NCAA will need to penalize a university already, when they should have taken drastic measures themselves.

To want life to go unchanged at Penn State indicates PSU is a football program masquerading as a university.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:55 PM
 
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A handful of people were involved in this scandal..those people should be the ones paying, not the entire body of students, and faculty
On the other hand, any university that believes that protecting its image over protecting youth and students will think three or four times before ever thinking of covering up such a scandal. That may ultimately the price that Penn State will have to pay for the rest of us.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Apples to Oranges: your comparison
For you, it's all about Penn State the entity...have you thought about the individual PEOPLE who could be affected by this?
A handful of people were involved in this scandal..those people should be the ones paying, not the entire body of students, and faculty
The University is an organization. Those who obstructed justice did so to the benefit of not just themselves but also the organization. Punishment of the organization is completely appropriate, as is individual punishment.

Why don't you try being less emotional about this issue and instead think about the importance of punishing a conspiracy of individuals who on the behalf of an organization facilitated the abuse of children.

The University let you and all others down, not those who rightfully believe that severe punishment is in order. Direct your anger where you should: at Penn State.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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On the other hand, any university that believes that protecting its image over protecting youth and students will think three or four times before ever thinking of covering up such a scandal. That may ultimately the price that Penn State will have to pay for the rest of us.
I get that, but again it doesn't HAVE to be that way.

People seem to be calling for blood from the wrong party.

The ones who DID the crime should be the ones paying.
otherwise nothing changes.
Cover-ups will still be done.
Those guys weren't thinking of the students when they covered this up, they were thinking primarily of themselves..that won't change unless a clear message is sent that they/ those parties, the INDIVIDUALs involved are the ones who pay and pay dearly
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