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Old 07-13-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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In his view, Obamacare is seeking something from the government. If you want that, then he is saying he is not your guy. It was his view of Obamacare. Do you think his response would have been different to a group of white Democrats? What do you think he would have said differently? When you read these threads, are such complaints about seeking things from the government reserved for black posters or are they also made to white posters that post similar remarks?
Why is he bringing up the material costs to the private sector if he's just talking the role of gov't? He's talking about the material costs of Obamacare and saying that some people love getting that stuff for free, but in reality it has to be paid for. And who's the crowd he used to illustrate the "give it to me for free" position?

I absolutely think his response would have been different if he came from a group of professional Whites. It it's Whites, the Conservative attack is creating victims & dependents & assuaging their White guilt to defend White Democrats existence. When it's Blacks, it's they want more free stuff.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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Why is he bringing up the material costs to the private sector if he's just talking the role of gov't? He's talking about the material costs of Obamacare and saying that some people love getting that stuff for free, but in reality it has to be paid for.
Yes, it does have to be paid for as do all government programs (theoretically anyway). That's the problem with such things, they are not actually free.

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And who's the crowd he used to illustrate the "give it to me for free" position?.
The crowd that expressed support for the program in question.

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I absolutely think his response would have been different if he came from a group of professional Whites. It it's Whites, the Conservative attack is creating victims & dependents & assuaging their White guilt to defend White Democrats existence. When it's Blacks, it's they want more free stuff.
It wasn't an attack. It was a response outlining his view of the differences between him and Mr. Obama based on the expressed support of the crowd for a program.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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NAACP is a liberal progressive crowd that like expensive government programs and bigger government, what is wrong with acknowledging that when addressing them and voicing his concerns about it?
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Yes, it does have to be paid for as do all government programs (theoretically anyway). That's the problem with such things, they are not actually free.
So then it's not about complaining about the role of gov't. It's about people wanting the gov't to provide free stuff. Now we're back to my original position.

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The crowd that expressed support for the program in question.
How is the crowd in question?


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It wasn't an attack. It was a response outlining his view of the differences between him and Mr. Obama based on the expressed support of the crowd for a program.
You're stretching here. It's about Obama vs Romney, in so much as who will give the free stuff that the group is asking for. The point is that he's characterizing the group as trying to get freebies, not who's the one that's going to give it.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: southern california
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he is so right. what remains to be seen, when obama is out, if romney acts any different.
the problem people is that they got our credit card and are swiping it alot.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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More free stuff- While everyone is arguing about when Romney stopped working at Bain, Obama decided not to obey another law by deleting the requirement that people have to work or look for work to receive Welfare benefits. Note to Treasury Dept- switch one of the printing machines from $20 bills to $100 bills.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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So then it's not about complaining about the role of gov't. It's about people wanting the gov't to provide free stuff. Now we're back to my original position.
No, we're not. He does not see it as the role of government to provide such things and thinks that it puts a burden on the private sector when the government does so.

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How is the crowd in question?.
In this case it was the NAACP. However, the reason for his statement was their expressed support for the program discussed. Do you think that if he were talking to the Conservative Black Caucus that he would have made the same comment - or if they hadn't expressed support for a huge government program? His response was made based on their expression of support for a huge government program.



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You're stretching here. It's about Obama vs Romney, in so much as who will give the free stuff that the group is asking for. The point is that he's characterizing the group as trying to get freebies, not who's the one that's going to give it.
He didn't make any such statement until they expressed their support for the program. If they had cheered his policy point, he would have never said that.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Being a Welfare Nation, and Nation of more Homeless then any other time, is nothing to be proud of. A welfare Nation i hear over and over again these days, that is nothing to be proud of.
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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The Republicans have been eyeing the social security and Medicare plans. Bet they get cut after a Republican gets in and uses some lame excuse. How do they intend on treating the corporations who get much more ‘welfare’ than individuals? Look at Trump and his lies. Now he wants to bring their version of Obama care out after the next election providing Trump Wins. Don’t be fooled. They never had an alternative health plan. This is just a rouse so the public wont get too nervous when they get their insurance bill and it’s so much they wont be able to afford it.
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