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Old 07-15-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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How far does the United States government needs to go to prevent terrorists attack? As great as the United States intelligence sector might be, is there not a correlation between a greater spy network and less freedom?

Americans like to travel. In fact the freedom to change your location and to move freely about the planet is one of the more important parts of a free society. Ever since a few terrorists have used a vehicle to terminate lives and damage infrastructure, we have expanded our national security budget.

The expansion of our security network has led to noticeable restrictions and discomforts in certain methods of travel. Many Americans who remember air travel before the creation of the TSA recall an easier time. Certain people like the elderly, the disabled, and the young went through troubling experiences because of added security methods. These were innocent people affected by the expansion of security.

It's not just air travel however. We now have fought wars in the name of national security, tapped phones, increased monitoring, began using aerial surveillance via drones.

Certain people have argued that TSA's security methods will prevent further terrorists attacks by aerial vehicles. These people have flawed reasoning due to the fact that there are other methods to do terrorism on the country. How far will we go?

How many resources must be dedicated to security? The intelligence agencies are not cheap.

The enemies of the United States have not disappeared, the fact that we are still out there fighting wars proves it. These wars do not have an ending date at any time soon, and troubled relations with other countries may cause more problems in the future.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin



Is it too much to ask for simple peace-time, where the average citizen can be trusted? It is much easier and preferable to live in a society that's free.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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It is not about National Security. Its about power and control.

Our borders are wide open. It is no secret.

It is like leaving your doors and windows open and claim that fighting someone 3 towns over is keeping your house protected.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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All a terrorist needs to do is put something bad in the water supply. Entire cities could be hit.

But don't worry, being groped by TSA agents and having your cup of latte-frachatte taken way will prevent that.

The southern border is an open door to coming into this country unchecked (we have 20 million+ to prove it) and people are still hung up that terrorists want to blow up a plane.

We are a nation of idiots for letting this continue.
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Old 07-15-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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With Soros buying the mexican presidency those doors will be opened wider. I read where they shut down a handful of border patrol stations last week. I guess the bean bag guns aren't scaring any folks off so why even try anymore or the "run and hide" tactics they tell the agents to use if confronted by an armed person in public.
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Old 07-15-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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How far does the United States government needs to go to prevent terrorists attack? As great as the United States intelligence sector might be, is there not a correlation between a greater spy network and less freedom?

Americans like to travel. In fact the freedom to change your location and to move freely about the planet is one of the more important parts of a free society. Ever since a few terrorists have used a vehicle to terminate lives and damage infrastructure, we have expanded our national security budget.

The expansion of our security network has led to noticeable restrictions and discomforts in certain methods of travel. Many Americans who remember air travel before the creation of the TSA recall an easier time. Certain people like the elderly, the disabled, and the young went through troubling experiences because of added security methods. These were innocent people affected by the expansion of security.

It's not just air travel however. We now have fought wars in the name of national security, tapped phones, increased monitoring, began using aerial surveillance via drones.

Certain people have argued that TSA's security methods will prevent further terrorists attacks by aerial vehicles. These people have flawed reasoning due to the fact that there are other methods to do terrorism on the country. How far will we go?

How many resources must be dedicated to security? The intelligence agencies are not cheap.

The enemies of the United States have not disappeared, the fact that we are still out there fighting wars proves it. These wars do not have an ending date at any time soon, and troubled relations with other countries may cause more problems in the future.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin



Is it too much to ask for simple peace-time, where the average citizen can be trusted? It is much easier and preferable to live in a society that's free.
How many peoples lives are YOU willing to sacrifice in order for YOU to not be inconvenienced.
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Old 07-15-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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How many peoples lives are YOU willing to sacrifice in order for YOU to not be inconvenienced.
How many enemies of the state are you willing to make to keep us living under a police state?
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Old 07-15-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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It is not about National Security. Its about power and control.

Our borders are wide open. It is no secret.

It is like leaving your doors and windows open and claim that fighting someone 3 towns over is keeping your house protected.
Please stop with the use of the multiple borders! You've only got one border to worry about. The other has been the subject of Napolitanonuts full and undivided attention with everything from drone overflights to searching octogenarians motorhomes top to bottom and leaving the contents on the sidewak for them to re-pack themselves.

You allow that idiot woman to erect barbed wire in front of your house while leaving the back door wide open to your addiction of cheap labour, drugs and potential future votes for Democrats.
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:17 PM
 
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There has been a lot of improvement in high value targets such as airlines. That is good, a lot of the other stuff is fluff and a way for Big Brother to grab more and more power.

There will be another massive attack.

I predict that it will be similar to the attack that happened in Mumbai and surrounding areas. 10 big cities hit during rush hour with machine guns, grenades, explosive and the like.....going to really hard to stop something like that:


2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The attacks, which drew widespread global condemnation, began on Wednesday, 26 November and lasted until Saturday, 29 November 2008, killing 164 people and wounding at least 308.[
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Old 07-15-2012, 08:26 PM
 
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All a terrorist needs to do is put something bad in the water supply. Entire cities could be hit.

But don't worry, being groped by TSA agents and having your cup of latte-frachatte taken way will prevent that.

The southern border is an open door to coming into this country unchecked (we have 20 million+ to prove it) and people are still hung up that terrorists want to blow up a plane.

We are a nation of idiots for letting this continue.
Well I think it was five of the 9-11 hijackers were here on overstayed visas. What is the DHS doing about checking up on folks who overstay their visa? NOTHING.

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Old 07-15-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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According to Big Sis, the only terrorists are the people in this country.
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