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My youngest son is very good at school work. He's kind of an overacheiver. He's got some of the same instructors that my oldest son has. My oldest son is more of an underacheiver. They are both smart, they have the exact same access to technology, the same teachers in some instances, the same parents. But one of my sons works harder than the other to get his good grades. Should I go to my youngest son and say "you think you work so hard, others work hard to. YOu think you're so smart, well others are smart too. You didn't succeed on your own, you didn't get that good grade, somebody else did." Would it be fair to tell him that because he didn't "do it on his own" that he doesn't deserve to get the good grades he got? Or get praise for it? Should I then tell him that he should get a C in his classes to make it more "equal" for everyone??
Try not to read into the President's statement some meaning that isn't there. He clearly said, "when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." (Notice that he said, "individual initiative?") You live in America that has free public education and resources to provide education. Your "smart" son achieves in that environment. The point is that if you lived with your family in the Sudan, that lacks the resources of America and where children do not attend school, your son's achievement would likely be far less. Likewise, you may be the best businesshead that ever lived but if you live in a backwards desert, and not America, you lack the fundamental social structure to achieve your potential.
These are not controversial concepts unless one is looking for a gotcha and trying to characterize one's opponent as something he is not.
Yep, they now not only want your earnings they now want to take the credit for your work. It doesn't get any more hypocritical than this.
Anyone remember the name of the movie where Mel Brooks a disenfranchised billionaire that has agreed to live on the mean street of poverty on a bet is arguing with a true bum and both are yelling at each other I'm a billionaire...no I'm a billionaire. One of the funniest scenes of all time and how appropriate to the situation.
Try not to read into the President's statement some meaning that isn't there. He clearly said, "when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." (Notice that he said, "individual initiative?") You live in America that has free public education and resources to provide education. Your "smart" son achieves in that environment. The point is that if you lived with your family in the Sudan, that lacks the resources of America and where children do not attend school, your son's achievement would likely be far less. Likewise, you may be the best businesshead that ever lived but if you live in a backwards desert, and not America, you lack the fundamental social structure to achieve your potential.
These are not controversial concepts unless one is looking for a gotcha and trying to characterize one's opponent as something he is not.
What it truly speaks to is the mindset of a Maoist! I never thought in my lifetime the people of this country would stoop to the low of this ideology. You are all apologists. I can only deduct that if you are an apologist you are in the ranks of the takers instead of the makers. The makers are rapidly being overtaken by the takers and they now have a political messiah to rally behind. But if the succeed then what? I'll tell you what we all go down with the third world ship. When you stop working oftentimes your wealth diminishes unless you have something working for you while you sleep, I.e. investments. No profits no investments, no wealth, no free stuff. It is a self destructive philosophy. You want the profits, now you have the audacity to want the credit as well.
The elitist educators, the harvards etc. that now run the country are tantamount to the politburo of the 1970s USSR. Now we are faced with the same demise as the united states of socialist America. Ussa. It will go to its equal demise if it continues down that road.
The good news is I believe a sufficient number of even the minority are beginning to recognize it is individuality and the success of the individual that makes the collective strong and not the collective enforcing it's will on the individual. That only produces the lowest common denominator for us all.
I think the president's statement is demoralizing, demeaning, and abusive to all those that work so hard to pay his salary.
He said that he was stopping the negative adds for one day. When it comes to the bullying ad with Romney singing, he needs to stop it forever. These people evidently have no sense of decency. I love to hear Romney sing because he sounds sincere, but the splashes of negative while he is singing is over the top for me. Yes, the people who put this ad together ought to be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately they don't have enough of American values to realize it.
What it truly speaks to is the mindset of a Maoist! I never thought in my lifetime the people of this country would stoop to the low of this ideology. You are all apologists. I can only deduct that if you are an apologist you are in the ranks of the takers instead of the makers. The makers are rapidly being overtaken by the takers and they now have a political messiah to rally behind. But if the succeed then what? I'll tell you what we all go down with the third world ship. When you stop working oftentimes your wealth diminishes unless you have something working for you while you sleep, I.e. investments. No profits no investments, no wealth, no free stuff. It is a self destructive philosophy. You want the profits, now you have the audacity to want the credit as well.
The elitist educators, the harvards etc. that now run the country are tantamount to the politburo of the 1970s USSR. Now we are faced with the same demise as the united states of socialist America. Ussa. It will go to its equal demise if it continues down that road.
The good news is I believe a sufficient number of even the minority are beginning to recognize it is individuality and the success of the individual that makes the collective strong and not the collective enforcing it's will on the individual. That only produces the lowest common denominator for us all.
Sorry, that's just crazy talk.
I laugh at what you call, "the elitist educators, the harvards etc. that now run the country," you know, the places where Romney, Obama, Bush, etc., attended. The pervasiveness of anti-intellectualism on the right is truly disturbing.
You also are using the strawman of claiming that the other side doesn't believe in profits and doesn't believe in wealth, which exists only in your mind and not reality.
The idea that providing for the public good, the kind of things that the nation was founded upon, is somehow now a "Maoist" conspiracy, is paranoia and wrong-headedness wrapped up into one.
Try not to read into the President's statement some meaning that isn't there. He clearly said, "when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." (Notice that he said, "individual initiative?") You live in America that has free public education and resources to provide education. Your "smart" son achieves in that environment. The point is that if you lived with your family in the Sudan, that lacks the resources of America and where children do not attend school, your son's achievement would likely be far less. Likewise, you may be the best businesshead that ever lived but if you live in a backwards desert, and not America, you lack the fundamental social structure to achieve your potential.
These are not controversial concepts unless one is looking for a gotcha and trying to characterize one's opponent as something he is not.
Give it up..! The corrupt president is promoting communism, and those to ignorant to see it will vote for him again... Every thing he says, every move he makes, is aimed at turning this country into Cuba..
I laugh at what you call, "the elitist educators, the harvards etc. that now run the country," you know, the places where Romney, Obama, Bush, etc., attended. The pervasiveness of anti-intellectualism on the right is truly disturbing.
You also are using the strawman of claiming that the other side doesn't believe in profits and doesn't believe in wealth, which exists only in your mind and not reality.
The idea that providing for the public good, the kind of things that the nation was founded upon, is somehow now a "Maoist" conspiracy, is paranoia and wrong-headedness wrapped up into one.
I am an Independent have been registered an independent since I was 18 having enough sense even 40 yrs. ago that I could not subscribe to the extremist positions of both. I laughed at the 9 Republicans uniformly stating they would not raise taxes one dollar in exchange for ten dollars in cuts. What a bunch of ideological puttses. The perfect opportunity to run the ball the othercwayvand they one by one fall on their faces. Disgusting midgets all. You see friend neither party gives a damn about we the people itviscall about power and influence. Sure there are a few new faces that seem worthy of the office, Alan West, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio. Notice I pulled no names from the democrat side. Vote wh.res to the man and to the woman.
I voted for that moron embarrassing idiot Carter when I was a young dupe full of heart. The heart does not produce charity, the hands and the mind produce charity because the heart produces nothing but sap which is the glue of the demorat party! In the words of Churchill if you are under forty and aren't a liberal you don't have a heart and if you over forty and not a conservative you don't have a brain. Our successes come from our brains not our hearts and oftentimes the heart is a cover for something way more sinister as in the case of Omamoron.
SO, you admit that when Obama said, "you didn't build THAT" he was referring to the infrastructure we all use???
When Obama says "If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" the "THAT" which I, and apparently Obama[1], refer to is the business which the business person built. The business person did that, not the government infrastructure Obama alludes to in much of his speech. Business utilizes the infrastructure which society in general has collectively built via government and taxes, but government does not participate in the building and maintenance of businesses, only business owners do that.
In the sentences prior to and after that sentence, Obama attempts to support the idea that government goes hand in hand with business to build a business. That is simply not true. The business owner takes the risk / gets the money / markets the idea, not the government, nor does government help with those specific tasks.
Looking at his speech in WHOLE, not just that sentence, his overall theme is "people can't do anything on their own, they need government to do anything". <sarcasm>Real inspirational.</sarcasm>
[1] Unless his orating skills are going downhill
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