Obama takes shot at business owners: "If you’ve got a business - you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen" (location, roads)

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Maintains and protects is what I said, remember? Government doesn't maintain everything (never claim it did) but it does protect it. Also government regulates telephone and gas infrastructure to keep it standardize.

Telephone was developed without the government assistance and standards were de facto standards before sanctioned by the government. No help at all.

Originally Posted by dv1033

Again it was an example. Do you know what an example is? But please give me some parameters so I can find you some assistance.

How about I give you an example of an affordable car for about $1.5M? Again, just an example.

Originally Posted by dv1033

Don't they receive tax breaks and deductions?

Tax breaks as in: "we let you keep some of the money you made though your hard work". Thank you so much!!!

Originally Posted by dv1033

They aren't any help? What kind of help were expecting if not monetary help?

Tax abatement programs are not designed to help business but to attract business to certain areas.
Communities know very well they will make up lost tax revenue through other means.

Originally Posted by dv1033

Haha I'm lazy because I don't want to start a business? LOL. Perhaps I'd rather be an employee and not deal with owning a business.

You don't want to deal with the hassle. That's laziness, isn't it? You don't want to be bother with risk, long hours yet so eager to give advice to business owners... Just like Obama. You forgot that the business that employs you was also at some point was a small start up and if it wasn't for some entrepreneur you would not have employment today. Respect business owners.

[russiaonline]

Originally Posted by rebel12

Where??? Cuba? North Korea?

Russia makes and imports American, European, Japaneese, Korean, Chineese, and Russian cars. Russian cars, including the ones unchanged from 1970's and 1980's, are sold nicely.

Came back from Germany few weeks ago, plenty of Fords not a single Russian car. Are they invisible? Is this the new Russian technology?

Russian cars can't compete on price abroad, so exports are currently slim.

Comrade, Soviet computer designs were stolen Western designs namely IBM and DEC.

It would be idiotic to not use someone else's research, don't you think? And the point is - there were Soviet computers.

Embargo was instituted because Reagan knew that without Western technology Soviet economy will fail, you could not keep up with Western science and technology.

You can wiki as much as you like, but I know from first hand experience that Soviet computers were almost as good (sometimes even better, at least for enthusiasts), as Western. Only they were much more expensive.

And the use of some foreign architecture doesn't mean that those computers were not Soviet. Just like the adherance to SPARC architecture doesn't mean that Russian mainframes are not Russian.

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by russiaonline

Russia makes and imports American, European, Japaneese, Korean, Chineese, and Russian cars. Russian cars, including the ones unchanged from 1970's and 1980's, are sold nicely. Russian cars can't compete on price abroad, so exports are currently slim.

They can't compare on anything including quality They are sold in Russia as for many people that's the only car they can afford, even if it is a 20 years old design with terrible fuel efficiency, safety and comfort. Ha ha ha

Originally Posted by russiaonline

It would be idiotic to not use someone else's research, don't you think? And the point is - there were Soviet computers.

And of course Russian was always famous for respecting patent rights, right? You were simply stealing Western technology, Comrade, cause you could not come up with your own... Even the computer used on Russian nuclear submarines was created by two American defectors...

Originally Posted by russiaonline

You can wiki as much as you like, but I know from first hand experience that Soviet computers were almost as good (sometimes even better, at least for enthusiasts), as Western. Only they were much more expensive

Ha ha ha. And what stores could you buy them at and how many had CPU's which design was NOT stolen from Intel and AMD?
Soviet computers. Computers in the country that could not produce tampons or VCRs

[HappyTexan]

The socialists are out in full force.

The collective is more important than the individual.
Just give government the power to redistribute "wealth" to the populace and everyone will be happy.

[rebel12]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

The socialists are out in full force.

The collective is more important than the individual.
Just give government the power to redistribute "wealth" to the populace and everyone will be happy.

we are already happy, aren't we?

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by alphamale

America had wealthy entrepreneurs long before our government was formed. In fact, the wealthy Patriots of the era funded the Revolution which formed the government.

Government does not have money, unless they take it through taxation from its citizens.

Obama is REALLY that dumb!

I wonder if you are really this dumb, King and country were here long before the Limited Liability Company, the idea of stocks and bonds and even the idea of an enforcable binding conract! The English Crown had been here for more than a millenium before Adam Smith was even born. So who is the Johnny come lately? now.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by stillkit

You're assuming that there was no government before the revolution. That's false. We were a part of the British Empire. It had a government which did all it could to facilitate the business of empire.

It did all it could to take away whatever profits America was making.

[vamos]

No, government was created to ensure that the various forces within the nation could cooperate and pool their resources. Some form of government is created whenever you have a pool of people (or entities) in pursuit of a common goal. Thus, there quickly tends to be a leader who coordinates efforts, oversees the allocation of resources, etc. Of course, it's much more complex, but if the basics of societal cooperation elude you, there is probably no point in explaining anything.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by stillkit

You're assuming that there was no government before the revolution. That's false. We were a part of the British Empire. It had a government which did all it could to facilitate the business of empire.

LOL, EXACTLY! Of all the stupid things I've read on this site, the idea that there was ever a time where there was "no government" in the "New World" is way up at the top of the list. Someone must be reading too many conservative blogs.

Some of these great capitalists at the nation's founding received FREE LAND and GRANTS from the English Crown! Talk about entitlement and welfare programs! In fact, to this day many in the west can trace their landholdings to GRANTS of FREE LAND from the government via the Homestead Act, passed by the United States government.

Not only that, TODAY, the United States is an attractive place for business BECAUSE we have a well functioning government and a robust legal system with protections for enforcement of contracts, etc.

We also invest in infrastructure and have a workforce capable to perform the duties necessary for business. Where we fail in that endeavor and lose ground to other countries that do it BETTER (because their population is not short sighted and can see past short term gains and their own wallets), we see capitalism simply "move on" to somewhere else!

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by rebel12

Telephone was developed without the government assistance and standards were de facto standards before sanctioned by the government. No help at all.

And so telephone companies have never received any sort of subsidies from the government? Did telephone companies build the roads they use to build the telephone infratrcture? Come on. If you can't see how everything is intertwined then that's your problem. Sorry the world doesn't fit into your ideological notions.

If you want to sit here and nit pick, by all means. Point is America is great because of private and public cooperation. Government played a very important role in America. No denying that.

How about I give you an example of an affordable car for about $1.5M? Again, just an example.

So you can't even set the parameters for us to have a discussion.

Tax breaks as in: "we let you keep some of the money you made though your hard work". Thank you so much!!!

Taxes have existed for thousands of years. Perhaps you should look into history if you think taxes in the modern form are burdensome.

Taxes that go back into funding our military and infrastructure.

Tax abatement programs are not designed to help business but to attract business to certain areas.
Communities know very well they will make up lost tax revenue through other means.

Again you said government doesn't help. Keep moving those goal posts.

And how do tax abatements attract businesses to a location without offering them some kind of incentive that is favorable to business owners?

Man it must suck being you.

You forgot that the business that employs you was also at some point was a small start up and if it wasn't for some entrepreneur you would not have employment today. Respect business owners.

I do respect business owners, who said I didn't. I just know they didn't do it all nor do I put them on a pedestal and worship them.

You don't want to deal with the hassle. That's laziness, isn't it? You don't want to be bother with risk, long hours yet so eager to give advice to business owners... Just like Obama.

I just had to shake my head and laugh at you on this one. You got to insult me and Obama all in one short paragraph, you must be proud...

You heard it folks, everyone who doesn't own a small business is lazy.