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Old 07-18-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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Did this style of public speaking start in Germany?
Yup and here's the rest of what he would have gone on to say:
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The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
Internet History Sourcebooks

But since he's a Fabian Socialist and not a revolutionary socialist he's willing to take one step at a time like slowing turning the heat up on a frog in a pot filled with water.

 
Old 07-18-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Sorry, I've had his message since 2008. You will NOT, under any condition, find any where near me a breath of support for Obama. He can brush his shiny teeth in front of me and tell me he brushed his shiny teeth. All I will see or hear is FRAUD. The same message he delivered in 2008.

But I hadn't really intended for you to bring that up.

And if I say I'm sorry, then sorry, it's not really an apology... just a polite figure of speech.
Huh? Were you just replying to tell me you hate Obama with your all heart or was there a point?

So you do agree with what Obama said was in fact correct, even if said haphazardly?
 
Old 07-18-2012, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Pa
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From where I am sitting I'll say Obama has a few gifts.
1. Master at starting class warfare.
2. Master at taking credit for others hard work and risk.
3. Master at finding hateful things to say to those who disagree with him.
No power on earth could convince me to vote for this man.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:08 PM
 
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PICKETVIDEO) Obama - 'If you



Yes Obama, there are a lot of people out there working hard and while some do succeed and others fail, there are also those who actually do work harder than others to get to where they are. But what would you know about that? You want everything to be "equal". And we all know while yes you are POTUS, just what the hell did you do that was so great in your life? What the hell were your accomplishments besides community organizing (aka telling others how they should run things, etc)? Youve done jack squat.

sorry for the italics, its locked for some reason
You will get the completely authorized, marching papers/lib/communist/marxist approved reply from the libs on this forum.
The first thing they'll do is change the subject or direction of the argument; mark my words.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Heyyyy, Haven't seen you around here in a while, good to see you.

But anyways, you are right....the same governmental infrastructure is here for everyone....yet only the successful , the ones who work and productivity actually goes to funding said infrastructure need to "give back" and "pay their fair share"....

Only those who made the right decisions and acted fiscally seem to be the only ones that "owe society"....Not the highschool dropout with five baby daddies who is drawing all kinds of taxpayer funded goodies...

no, you the one who acted responsibly and actually contributed to society need to pay your "fair share" while those who continue to leech are told they are entitled to be taken care of by you while those who take are ask of nothing in return....Seriously, merely suggesting that you don't have kids until you can afford them seem to be asking too much nowadays.

You built a successful business that met a demand and contributed to society?...."you need to give back"....you draw all kinds of taxpayer welfare without giving anything in return?..."well, you deserve it".
President Obama's statement was more macro than using existing infrastructure to compete. His point is that this country and the cummulative things that have been done over our history such as the national highway project, national parks, Hoover Dam, etc., have afforded businesses opportunities that wouldn't exist today had they not have happened.

I do not like most of the president's policies and do not plan on voting for him. However, this issue is a distraction and is only being discussed because neither candidate is discussing anything of substance and instead just attacks the other on stupid issues of little value.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Huh? Were you just replying to tell me you hate Obama with your all heart or was there a point?

So you do agree with what Obama said was in fact correct, even if said haphazardly?
If it was said haphazardly then it was an irresponsible act on his behalf.

And I said absolutely NOTHING about hate... THAT was your word. But I understand where it comes from.

We are now done with this conversation.
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One of the many great things about Paul Johnson’s magisterial A History of the American People is that he begins that history in the Sixteenth Century. There was an identifiable, culturally distinguishable American People long before there was a Revolutionary War, a Constitution, or a central government. The American People, by their industry and ingenuity, didn’t just build successful businesses… they built the most successful nation in history — and all, somehow, without HUD, Fannie, Freddie, the EPA, OSHA…
Ordered Liberty » ‘You Didn’t Build That!’ … Oh Yeah?
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At Reason, Matt Welch has a very interesting column about the building of the Golden Gate Bridge — which Obama likes to cite as a federal government success story that “benefitted everyone” and, so the story goes, made possible the success of the evil one-percenters.

As Welch shows, the federal government did everything it could to prevent the Golden Gate from being built. The local people and businesses wanted it; but the Defense Department did not want it built and owned the land on either side of the channel, which it refused for a long time to sell. When it finally agreed to sell, it would not sell to the developers, only to a state commission. And the feds did not participate… other than to try to derail the project. That is, federal contractor unions held up the works, trying to extort their piece of the pie. Finally, because of the market’s collapse and the Great Depression, the bond financing ran into trouble, resulting in more delay until, finally, private capital — the personal wealth of A.P. Giannini — came to the rescue. The bridge was completed $1.7 million under budget, Welch recounts, “using non-union labor and private contractors.”
Thank yew Mr. President


Obama Can Haz Reelection?

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Old 07-18-2012, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by Lincolnian View Post
President Obama's statement was more macro than using existing infrastructure to compete. His point is that this country and the cummulative things that have been done over our history such as the national highway project, national parks, Hoover Dam, etc., have afforded businesses opportunities that wouldn't exist today had they not have happened.

I do not like most of the president's policies and do not plan on voting for him. However, this issue is a distraction and is only being discussed because neither candidate is discussing anything of substance and instead just attacks the other on stupid issues of little value.
I think the issue is that this man seems to say the wrong thing a lot. Then we see his handlers spend countless hours trying to explain what he really meant. Which of course is difficult because when he does it he really puts a foot in his own mouth.
Small town americans cling to religion and guns???? We aint sooo fisty cated like them chicago folks I guess.
People who join the military have no other options, we be society's leftovers and out casts.
The man is a master of saying the worst things.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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I think the issue is that this man seems to say the wrong thing a lot. Then we see his handlers spend countless hours trying to explain what he really meant. Which of course is difficult because when he does it he really puts a foot in his own mouth.
Small town americans cling to religion and guns???? We aint sooo fisty cated like them chicago folks I guess.
People who join the military have no other options, we be society's leftovers and out casts.
The man is a master of saying the worst things.
He is used to academia and talking to a different crowd. People in an academic environment are used to it but it doesn't work when speaking to the nation.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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He is used to academia and talking to a different crowd. People in an academic environment are used to it but it doesn't work when speaking to the nation.
He was also an activist. Activists talk like that..extreme talk to rile up emotions. That's exactly what he did.
 
Old 07-18-2012, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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He was also an activist. Activists talk like that..extreme talk to rile up emotions. That's exactly what he did.
Yes he is an activist. Many academics like that role. He fires up those who take his words literally on both sides.
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