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Old 07-15-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If Washington and Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton could come back, the first thing they’d notice would be that the federal government now routinely assumes thousands of powers never assigned to it — powers never granted, never delegated, never enumerated. These were the words they used, and it’s a good idea for us to learn their language. They would say that we no longer live under the Constitution they wrote. And the Americans of a much later era — the period from Cleveland to Coolidge, for example — would say we no longer live even under the Constitution they inherited and amended.

How Tyranny Came to America (aka God, Man, and Law)

Well worth the read.
RIP Joe
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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If Washington and Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton could come back, the first thing they’d notice would be that the federal government now routinely assumes thousands of powers never assigned to it — powers never granted, never delegated, never enumerated. These were the words they used, and it’s a good idea for us to learn their language. They would say that we no longer live under the Constitution they wrote. And the Americans of a much later era — the period from Cleveland to Coolidge, for example — would say we no longer live even under the Constitution they inherited and amended.

How Tyranny Came to America (aka God, Man, and Law)

Well worth the read.
RIP Joe
If you think the USA is a tyranical country, you should go visit China, North Korea, Iran, and a dozen other countries.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Canada
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If you think the USA is a tyranical country, you should go visit China, North Korea, Iran, and a dozen other countries.
We're well on our way. You just haven't noticed because you still have TV to entertain you.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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We're well on our way. You just haven't noticed because you still have TV to entertain you.
We're?? You location has you listed as Canada.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Perhaps the greatest irony in the issue of welfare came from a statement by the Father of Big Government, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Roosevelt, a man known for giving in on his previous word and selectively compromising his beliefs, not to mention the Constitution, in pursuit of an agenda. Roosevelt took to the podium on March 2, 1930 to talk about states rights as Governor of New York. In this speech, printed in entirity on March 3, 1930 by the New York Times, he had this to say:

"As a matter of fact and law, the governing rights of the States are all of those which have not been
surrendered to the National Government by the Constitution or its amendments. Wisely or unwisely,
people know that under the Eighteenth Amendment Congress has been given the right to legislate on this particular subject[SIZE=-2]1[/SIZE], but this is not the case in the matter of a great number of other vital problems of government, such as the conduct of public utilities, of banks, of insurance, of business, of agriculture, of education, of social welfare and of a dozen other important features. In these, Washington must not be encouraged to interfere." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1930

From "Is Welfare Unconstitutional"

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/constitution.html
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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We're?? You location has you listed as Canada.
Yeah, we're. Does it matter where I happen to be right now? I guess you needed something...anything...to use as a red herring.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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[i]If Washington and Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton could come back, the first thing they’d notice would be that the federal government now routinely assumes thousands of powers never assigned to it — powers never granted, never delegated, never enumerated.
I would think that the first thing they would notice would be all of these four wheeled vehicles with no visible means of power flying by them at speeds would seem like jet planes breaking the sound barrier. Jefferson in particular would be SHOCKED and appalled the absence of family farms surrounding the capital. But I think that Hamilton would have a good couple of days talking to Benarke about the workings of the Federal Reserve. What Madison would be doing... frankly I really don't care because 18th century gentleman farmers could have never foresee the complexity of a nation with over 300 million living in a technologically driven global economy.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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We're well on our way. You just haven't noticed because you still have TV to entertain you.
We are not well on our way, we are there.
Woodpecker-Saving Girl's Mother Gets Fined $500 | wusa9.com

Can't turn around now without having one or another enforcement agency stomping on your neck. As long as you are not one of the unlucky victims, you won't care. But sooner or later you will.
Hoosier Grandmother Arrested for Purchasing Cold Medication | The Agitator



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He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If you think the USA is a tyranical country, you should go visit China, North Korea, Iran, and a dozen other countries.
Your response is that we're still better than other countries? This country had always been a standout, a leader among nations, a beacon of freedom. We spend more money on public education per capita than other countries, yet we've declined from 1st to 25th. We've placed tyrants in positions of power and delude ourselves into believing we're still better.

Did you bother to read the link, or just the teaser to form your retort?

So we're not as tyrannical as other countries, yet tyrannical none the less. This isn't a comforting thought, IMHO.

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Old 07-15-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So your response is that we aren't as bad as other countries? This country had always been a standout, a leader among nations, a beacon of freedom. Now we're just not as bad. How comforting.
Yep, they haven't thrown too many of us in the dungeon yet. We should be happy.
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