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Old 07-23-2012, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Nice guest editorial in the WSJ from 4 days ago by Henry Juszkiewicz, CEO of Gibson Guitars:

Henry Juszkiewicz: Gibson's Fight Against Criminalizing Capitalism - WSJ.com

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30 federal agents with guns and bulletproof vests stormed our guitar factories in Tennessee. They shut down production, sent workers home, seized boxes of raw materials and nearly 100 guitars, and ultimately cost our company $2 million to $3 million worth of products and lost productivity. Why? We imported wood from India to make guitars in America.
He goes on to explain that the export of the wood had been approved by both Indian authorities and allowed by US Customs. But under the Lacey Act, federal agencies have the power to interpret foreign law. They decided that Indian authorities had misinterpreted their own law, because the wood had not been finished in India.

So as Juszkiewicz writes, "effect, the agency is arguing that to be in compliance with the law, Gibson must outsource the jobs of finishing" So this admin that bellowed recently about its opposition to outsourcing, demanded outsourcing in this case.

The piece has some other valuable points about what the author calls the criminalization of capitalism. Read it.

The raid was over a year ago and most have probably forgotten about it by now. Hopefully there will be more reminders as Nov. 6 approaches.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:17 AM
 
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I heard it was actually Martin Guitar operatives disguised as Federal agents...
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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I heard about bugs being in foreign wood that got exported to the United States. Bugs don't care.
And they decimate our forests.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:08 AM
 
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I heard about bugs being in foreign wood that got exported to the United States. Bugs don't care.
And they decimate our forests.
The issue here is not parasites but exotic woods that may be hard to find, these woods are very expensive and very desirable. Music instrument makers in particular want specific species not only for their beauty but their sound quality. The US has it's own laws for the import of them and where the import is allowed you can't break the laws of another country even if it were legal to import them.

I can't view the entire article but from the quote posted above it sounds like the US was interpreting the laws different the country exporting them.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The issue here is not parasites but exotic woods that may be hard to find, these woods are very expensive and very desirable. Music instrument makers in particular want specific species not only for their beauty but their sound quality. The US has it's own laws for the import of them and where the import is allowed you can't break the laws of another country even if it were legal to import them.

I can't view the entire article but from the quote posted above it sounds like the US was interpreting the laws different the country exporting them.
Yeah, that's pretty much it, the Indian authorities okayed the export because the wood came from a special program that was deemed environmentally friendly. But the US feds decided that the Indians were wrong about their own law. I didn't realize that the WSJ piece was subscriber only, here is another version from Huffpo that should be accessible. It's from last year but mostly covers the same ground.

Henry Juszkiewicz: Repeal the Lacey Act? Hell No, Make It Stronger

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The recent raid of Gibson, however, did not come about because the wood was illegally harvested. Rather, the U.S. government alleges that the wood was imported in violation of an Indian export restriction designed to keep wood finishing work in India. To make matters worse, although the Indian government certified that the wood was properly and legally exported under this law, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service substituted its own opinion and reinterpreted Indian law
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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That CEO is a worthless piece of work. Basically done more in less time to destroy a once iconic brand. As far as the wood... I don't give a crap where it comes from, because I would never buy a later model guitar that completely sucks. This sounds like an excuse for this tool to pretend that his instruments are still the high quality instruments of yesteryear, because they use this fancy wood. Give it up. Might as well use cork you fool. I hope they put him in prison for unnecessary squander of breathable air.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Nice guest editorial in the WSJ from 4 days ago by Henry Juszkiewicz, CEO of Gibson Guitars:

Henry Juszkiewicz: Gibson's Fight Against Criminalizing Capitalism - WSJ.com



He goes on to explain that the export of the wood had been approved by both Indian authorities and allowed by US Customs. But under the Lacey Act, federal agencies have the power to interpret foreign law. They decided that Indian authorities had misinterpreted their own law, because the wood had not been finished in India.

So as Juszkiewicz writes, "effect, the agency is arguing that to be in compliance with the law, Gibson must outsource the jobs of finishing" So this admin that bellowed recently about its opposition to outsourcing, demanded outsourcing in this case.

The piece has some other valuable points about what the author calls the criminalization of capitalism. Read it.

The raid was over a year ago and most have probably forgotten about it by now. Hopefully there will be more reminders as Nov. 6 approaches.

Of course, what Juszkiewicz fails to mention in his little tirade is that they've been raided before over a shipment of Ebony from Madagascar. After that raid, his company has apparently adopted the policy of interpreting the law themselves and then crying foul in the media when they get caught.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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andywire, you must be a liberal.
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Of course, what Juszkiewicz fails to mention in his little tirade is that they've been raided before over a shipment of Ebony from Madagascar. After that raid, his company has apparently adopted the policy of interpreting the law themselves and then crying foul in the media when they get caught.
How do you figure that the company interpreted the law themselves? According to the article, the Indian authorities were responsible for the interpretation. Any evidence otherwise?
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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How do you figure that the company interpreted the law themselves? According to the article, the Indian authorities were responsible for the interpretation. Any evidence otherwise?
Of course not. They are running on emotional fumes and imaginary evidence as usual.
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