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Old 07-26-2012, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Republican and Conservatives are synonymous with racism and bigotry. The Conservative party is supported by the most racist, most racially insensitive, most bigoted people in this country. The party counts among its constituents people who support the Klan and the Klan.

Pubs can't get away from this. Maybe the party should do more to dispel this notion other than putting a few blacks in high positions to give the appearance of inclusion. The GOP has a horrible record in civil rights and this is common knowledge.
You're all accusation, zero evidence. In the best tradition of dem prosecutor Mike Nifong.

BTW you forgot the part where you tell us your opinon on the thread topic, the false accusation 'call them racist' tactics of LBJ. OTOH, maybe you did tell us.
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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How did Barry Goldwater vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
Goldwater opposed it on Civil Rights grounds. LBJ championed it. But apparently not on grounds of moving forward towards King's dream. Otherwise he would not have be out there using the divisive tactic of the false accusation. Which approach was more honorable? Which would get your vote:


President Lyndon Johnson using the "N" word. - YouTube
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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Republican and Conservatives are synonymous with racism and bigotry. The Conservative party is supported by the most racist, most racially insensitive, most bigoted people in this country. The party counts among its constituents people who support the Klan and the Klan.

Pubs can't get away from this. Maybe the party should do more to dispel this notion other than putting a few blacks in high positions to give the appearance of inclusion. The GOP has a horrible record in civil rights and this is common knowledge.
Really because I grew up Democrat and almost everyone I know is racist against black people. So you tell me!
A man I know disowned a daughter for hooking up with a black man and the same disowned me for being a conservative.
More won't watch movies with blacks in them and it goes on and on.......
Call them porch monkeys etc etc.
They just use them for their own agenda and to get their vote and I wish this was not true but most are uneducated about politics so they use that to their advantage
All dems
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:54 PM
 
Location: USA
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Not every conservative is racist, but seriously, how many people voting Republican actually care about black people?
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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In the 1964 Presidential election Team LBJ produced a children's coloring book showing Barry Goldwater dressed in KKK robes.
Ya lie with dogs you are liable to get fleas, and Barry laid down with a lot of dogs in 1964 which is why he carried Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama Georgia, and South Carolina which in 1964 were hardly Republican strongholds... yet.

By the way, before the 1964 election there was 1948 when Strom Thurman ran on the State's Rights Democratic Party.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Ya lie with dogs you are liable to get fleas, and Barry laid down with a lot of dogs in 1964 which is why he carried Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama Georgia, and South Carolina which in 1964 were hardly Republican strongholds... yet.

By the way, before the 1964 election there was 1948 when Strom Thurman ran on the State's Rights Democratic Party.

So this is supposed to justify the KKK coloring book from LBJ, and other tricks?

What has Strom Thurmond got to do with this? Before Strom Thurmond there was Woodrow Wilson who resegregated the federal work force. We can go back even further of course, but what is the point?
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:21 PM
 
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Republican and Conservatives are synonymous with racism and bigotry. The Conservative party is supported by the most racist, most racially insensitive, most bigoted people in this country. The party counts among its constituents people who support the Klan and the Klan.

Pubs can't get away from this. Maybe the party should do more to dispel this notion other than putting a few blacks in high positions to give the appearance of inclusion. The GOP has a horrible record in civil rights and this is common knowledge.

Thats a laugh when it was Dems who consistently voted against blacks and women in any type of legislation following the Civil War. Read your history books
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:40 PM
 
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This is a dumb thread with a bunch of silly arguments.

This isn't 1964, and the parties have realigned themselves since then. Today's Republican party isn't the party of Lincoln, nor Reagan. This Democrat Party isn't the party of the southern segregationists that it once was.

Move on people.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:36 AM
 
Location: The Land Mass Between NOLA and Mobile, AL
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This is a dumb thread with a bunch of silly arguments.

This isn't 1964, and the parties have realigned themselves since then. Today's Republican party isn't the party of Lincoln, nor Reagan. This Democrat Party isn't the party of the southern segregationists that it once was.

Move on people.
Yes--this campaign was almost 50 years ago.

Let's just review political campaigns since then:

1968--Nixon wins, largely because of his southern strategy and invoking the fears of the so-called silent majority in terms of law and order. Reagan was the Gov. of CA at this time. George Wallace's bid as an Independent helped as he somewhat unexpectedly peeled some blue-collar urban white voters from the Democrats. Wallace won MS, AR, GA, LA, and AL. (See The Silent Majority and Suburban Warriors).

1972--Nixon wins re-election, largely by using the same tactics as before (anti-busing, pro law and order, etc.). McGovern was hurt by late revelations that his VP had been treated for mental illness, plus his campaign was not handled well. He only carried MA and the District. Here you can see the South turning more solidly red.

1976--Carter wins, boosted by his somewhat outsider status given Watergate, his "native son" appeal to southerners, and his faith-based appeals. Much of the South again voted for Carter even though by then, national politicians like Thurmond and Lott had switched parties.

1980--Reagan wins, running on a campaign of optimism bolstered by dog-whistle appeals to white southern voters (for example, extolling that he believed in states' rights in Neshoba County, MS). He also continued the blue-collar defection from the Democrats that began in '68. Carter inherited some humongous political and economic problems, and I don't think he was equipped to deal with them; he was too decent to engage in the realpolitick skills needed to negotiate those times.

1984--Reagan wins re-election in a huge landslide, with Mondale carrying only MN and the District. The right-wing populism and grassroots activism discussed in Suburban Warriors regarding Goldwater reaches its fruition here.

1988--during the George H.W. Bush and Dukakis race, according to polling, it arguably appeared that Dukakis would win until a couple of months before the election. The economy, while not great, had improved, but the campaign floundered--there was the Kitty Dukakis/rape question and the Willie Horton thing, but I think Dukakis also failed to connect with the American people, something Reagan was really good at. Arguably, though, being able to make a personal connection with people is not a substantial criterion for whether one is qualified to be the POTUS.

1992--Cue in neo-liberalism and Clinton vs. Bush the elder. Clinton's campaign focused on the economy and Clinton's charisma, while moving the Democrats to the right in terms of economic policy. This move to the center was meant to bring both southern whites and urban blue-collar workers back into the fold. Clinton carried AR, LA, and GA in the Deep South, most of the NE and Great Lakes region, and the West.

1996--more of the same, this time against Dole, although the South was moving back into the red column, with GA turning red. Clinton survived the Lewinsky scandal as he had the previous sex scandals, and he presided over the dot.com boom/bust cycle--a bubble that thankfully didn't last as long or have as devastating effects as the recent real estate one has had.

In any case, I have totally flattened a lot of history here, but suffice it to say that it is a gross oversimplification to say that one or another party engages in race-baiting or whatever other divisive tactic to the exclusion of the other. The Democratic party that LBJ, a native Texan, had to contend with in 1964 included unabashed segregationists like Thurmond and Eastland. Both JFK before he was assassinated and RFK before he was killed had to deal with segregationist Democratic governors like Wallace and especially Ross Barnett during the crisis at Ole Miss in '62.

The political realignments that DD mentions have been ongoing throughout our history; politicians and others have used us vs. them sentiments, whether based on fears of other races, immigrants, creeds, or classes since before the formation of the Republic. It seems to me that it is silly to blame one contemporary political party of doing so without taking something of a long view of history that could extend back as far as your free time for researching will allow. That being said, as humans we can always do our best to make the best judgments that we can about any decisions we make about our shared interests given the available information at the time.
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Old 07-28-2012, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Republican and Conservatives are synonymous with racism and bigotry. The Conservative party is supported by the most racist, most racially insensitive, most bigoted people in this country. The party counts among its constituents people who support the Klan and the Klan.

Pubs can't get away from this. Maybe the party should do more to dispel this notion other than putting a few blacks in high positions to give the appearance of inclusion. The GOP has a horrible record in civil rights and this is common knowledge.
Is that why the last Klansman in Congress was a democrat from West Virginia?
No such thing as civil rights, that's another thing you've made up in order to fit your twisted agenda. Personal liberties were taken from people by the big government YOU support. That happened with help from both parties.
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