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Old 07-27-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Reading PA
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By the hour, they fight missions all over the world in our interest all the time that you are not informed of because you don't need to know.
Now you say in our interest. I wonder who's interest is that? The individual american trying to provide for his/her family? Multi-national corporate interests? Billionaires interests? Or just the interests of different political agendas?

I believe the individual american does not factor in any of our military actions around the world, except to do the fighting and the dying.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I was wondering when was the last time our military actually fought for our freedom.?
I hear all the time that our military is fighting for our freedom. It seems to me, the last time that ocurred was during WWII. Every war since has been political in nature. What do you think?
Our military is currently fighting for our freedom everyday.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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Our military is currently fighting for our freedom everyday.
The fact that I think you believe this is testament to a far greater malais within your country than you will ever acknowledge.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:08 PM
 
Location: southern california
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strictly speaking, the last time the american army fought for our freedom was the colonial war, 2/3rds of americans opposed it. next was fought by confederate army and they went to jail or had their lands burned or confiscated as a thank u for their efforts.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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Meh. Occasionally getting blood on your hands is the price you pay for having hands.

It's a real world. With some real bad people. Once in a while, our country has to demonstrate that we are willing to put it on the line, if only to put the Nazi gas chambers out of business, to stop the Serbs from ethnically cleansing the former Yugoslavia, or to stop the Kims from making ALL of Korea an insane asylum where people eat twigs while their boss dances with Mickey Mouse.
You do realize we are the bad guys currently right?

We are the ones restricting peoples freedoms and interfering with their private affairs in countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan.

With CIA agents likely creating problems in other countries like Syria and Iran.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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Our military is currently fighting for our freedom everyday.
They sure aren't fighting for my freedom, I have no problem with the people in Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya and others who we threaten, Syria, Iran.

I have no problem with these people and they certainly have no plans to restrict my freedom.

All they want to do is be left alone, but for some reason we always interfere?

Ofc its all about the military industrial complex, oil, and protecting the almighty dollar.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:17 PM
 
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You do realize we are the bad guys currently right?

We are the ones restricting peoples freedoms and interfering with their private affairs in countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan.

With CIA agents likely creating problems in other countries like Syria and Iran.
You know this is in your personal interest, right? We need to insure that Oil is still traded in Dollars. If it is not, than the American Lifestyle as you know it, will vanish.

Are you willing to put up with an significant lower standard of living for the "Greater Good"? If you do so, US Troops can withdraw from all countries immediately.

I'm not sure you are willing to pay 30 $ per gallon of gas, though.

Therefore the end of American Meddling in the middle east (or regions that have strategical significance for Oil being traded in Dollars) will not stop.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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Interesting question. Some 15% of the population of the rebellious colonies believed that the best guarantee of their freedom lay in the king and constitution, so even the Revolutionary War wasn't universally accepted as a war for Americans' freedom.

The War of 1812 was more about annexing the Canadas so that slaveowners could trade them for new slave states, so it clearly doesn't qualify.

The Mexican War had similar aims, and surely no one then or now believes that Santa Anna was a real threat to American freedom, so again, no sausage.

The American Civil War was nominally, to southerners, about their freedom of secession and self-government, and again, nominally, to a certain faction within the north, about ending slavery - a hung verdict, perhaps?

The Spanish War? See 1812 and Mexico, above.

The First World War may have been about someone's freedom, at least according to Wilson, but since no one believed the Kaiser was about to conquer America, surely it wasn't about American freedom.

The Second World War was clearly about someone's freedom, but it could only be understood as a war for American freedom if one accepts that the Axis might have somehow imposed unfreedom on the North American continent, which is far-fetched even for alternate-history buffs. Certainly an Axis victory would have constrained the United States' freedom of action in geopolitical terms - but that's not quite the same thing as the Gestapo dragging people from their beds in Dubuque.

Korea and Vietnam? Depends whether you accept some kind of domino theory, but since the Bad Guys got a draw and a win, respectively, and no one in Dubuque was arrested in the night, it's hard to see how one might argue these were wars for American freedom.

Bush's Wars? If the Gestapo and KGB didn't disturb the good people of Dubuque, Saddam certainly wasn't ever going to, and nor were the Taliban ever about to do more than cause some messy bombs to go off - unpleasant and tragic, but not a question of foreign jackboots marching down Main St.

So, I conclude that America's armed forces have never clearly, unarguably and incontestably fought for American freedom - and the endlessly repeated slogan otherwise is simply designed to justify a large military budget.
Exactly. Our military industrial complex is our "economic policy"
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:02 PM
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By the hour, they fight missions all over the world in our interest all the time that you are not informed of because you don't need to know.
"Interests" - AKA Cheap Oil and Israel
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:06 PM
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You do realize we are the bad guys currently right?

We are the ones restricting peoples freedoms and interfering with their private affairs in countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan.

With CIA agents likely creating problems in other countries like Syria and Iran.
Impossible, the United States is a completely unique and singularly exceptional country that is never wrong, never bad and all actions are ordained by god.

Why do you hate America?
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