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Old 07-31-2012, 08:59 AM
 
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So the UK Free Healthcare System is deep in the red because of U.S. subprime mortgages?

Wow.

I know that the national pastime in the UK is blaming everything on the U.S. but that takes the cake!
You seem confused about whether it is the NHS that is deep in the red or the UK. Just one of the many things you are confused about in this thread.
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:59 AM
 
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Oh, and in the USA, that course of chemotherapy will be $60,000.
Duh!

That is what insurance is for!
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:00 AM
 
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Duh!

Ever heard of "exports"?
Are you suggesting they are exporting health care
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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Nah, I would definitely listen to them. For a start it would be such a rare and precious experience as to warrant my full attention.

Granted I have only been in the UK for almost 24 years but I have yet to meet ONE British person who would swap the NHS for the American system. Whether a top executive, Aristocrat, Surgeon, Accountant, University Professor, Plumber, or pretty much anything in between. Whether someone on the extreme right or the extreme left.

Of course I would listen. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.


I think you will find it pretty Universal in the UK regardless of what walk of life you come from that a Universal Healthcare System is the way to go.

I have met quite a lot of fat cat capitalist right wing people in my time and they would not destroy the NHS. I have met people who would get rid of pretty much every type of social net there is , dismantling the State as much as possible but the NHS is still not to be touched.

I am pretty sure there are a few people who think differently but their numbers will be so tiny as to be insignificant. So insignificant this issue never even arises in Politics.

Politicians who spend their days mud flinging and spewing hate at each other still seem united on that point.

The NHS is sacred. The concept of the NHS is sacred. It might need some tweaks and is most certainly not perfect but finding someone wishing to swap it for an American system is going to be like finding a rare new Orchid. A real trek through the Political and Social Landscape. Right or Left wing Europe wants a Universal Healthcare system.

America's system is to Europeans the most puzzling and bizarrely retrograde inhumane way to deal with health issues.
I guess if America had a much larger, powerful and benevolent nation protecting it for 60 years then Americans, too, could devote more time to paying for socialized medicine and less time to paying for a strong national defense.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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Duh!

That is what insurance is for!
As usual, you are missing the point.

In the UK, if you choose to go private, that same course of chemotherapy will cost around $40k. So why, in the USA, does it cost 50% more?

Are you actually proud of the way Americans are getting ripped off?
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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The USA has some of the world's best medical care. You might be surprised to discover that other countries also offer outstanding care.
Yes.

Dubai and Singapore have excellent care too.

But like everything in life you have to pay more for the very best.

THAT is what is lost on the so-called "greens".
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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Sometimes you have to wonder what the point is.....
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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You seem confused about whether it is the NHS that is deep in the red or the UK. Just one of the many things you are confused about in this thread.
Please link to the UK government website that shows the budget SURPLUS of the NHS...
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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Are you suggesting they are exporting health care
Germany is an export powerhouse that does not have a huge lazy underclass such as the one the exists in America.

They hate inflation and deficits.

So their socialist medicine is, at least, paid for.

America is not Germany and Norway.

We can't have both socialism and budget surpluses in the U.S.

Too many able-bodied lazy people who try to milk the system but give nothing back but pain.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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I'm starting to think that in clb10 this Forum has discovered something truly sensational. Someone that is able to debate in a style that can only be described as masterful.. Let's not be shy, let's acknowledge what we have found.

cb10? I recognise you for what you are....... a Mast'debater!
Gee..how clever!
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