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Old 07-30-2012, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am not surprised that steel pipes buried in the ground for 60 years would corrode enough to leak. I would be very surprised if they did not. This, like many bridges and water supply systems, is just another part of the great infrastructure repairs that we need. I think it is time to let the rest of the world go on its own while we repair our own house.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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over 45,000 miles of oil pipelines in this country. Yes there will be an occasional leak.
After our aquifers are contaminated by oil leaks, you might change your user name to oilboy.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I am not surprised that steel pipes buried in the ground for 60 years would corrode enough to leak. I would be very surprised if they did not. This, like many bridges and water supply systems, is just another part of the great infrastructure repairs that we need. I think it is time to let the rest of the world go on its own while we repair our own house.
The surprising annoyance is that profit gleaning oil companies don't replace these pipes proactively. Instead, they just wait until the oil leaks out into our fertile lands, lakes, and rivers before they take action. While any reasonable person, such as yourself, can see these pipes will leak. It is just a matter of when.

Anyone here think ingestion of oil is good for our bodies or that of wildlife?
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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The surprising annoyance is that profit gleaning oil companies don't replace these pipes proactively. Instead, they just wait until the oil leaks out into our fertile lands, lakes, and rivers before they take action. While any reasonable person, such as yourself, can see these pipes will leak. It is just a matter of when.

Anyone here think ingestion of oil is good for our bodies or that of wildlife?
My god girl; you're eating oil in everything from your margarine to your ice cream and have been for decades!

Your last post though is sounding somewhat more reasonable in that instead of you referring to Canadian's raping you for profit, now it's just some oil company. Progress is being made here.

No one on this planet would think to defend a poor business practice regarding the piping of oil. A poor business practice is for a board of directors to purchase 20 year old, or indeed even 50 year old, in some cases, pipelines without thinking of factoring in the cost of bringing those pipelines up to more recent compliance. That goes for wherever those companies may be based.

Your country has literally thousands of miles of underground pipeline running willy-nilly throughout it. More than a few of those miles and miles of pipeline are nearing 50 years old. Some even close to the Ogallala Aquifer. Not all of it is owned by Enbridge.

Anyone advocating very strict protection of that aquifer should indeed be listened to. I would suggest however you paint with a broader brush if your prime concern is indeed simpy your environment and not based on your dislike of a particular country as your thread title and subsequent couple of posts would seem to suggest.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Seems that corporate leaders do not realize that the sacrificial anodes the provide corrosion resistance for the steel pipes are actually sacrificed and have to be periodically replaced but do not do so because of the cost. It is cheaper for the companies to fix the spills instead of maintaining the pipelines. It is cheaper for the companies because they never pay the full cost of a leak. WE, the public, pay the difference.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Another pipeline from Canada leaked last year causing the worst pipeline disaster in US history. The problem is tar sands oil doesn't float, it's too thick and full of asphaltics, it sinks with about half going to the bottom and the other half floating in the water column. Since it doesn't behave like regular light crude no one knows exactly how to clean it up once a spill does occur and there WILL be more spills.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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I watched this with a grain of salt but .... well, at east it's an effort performed.

A River Returns To Its People - Enbridge Inc.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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My god girl; you're eating oil in everything from your margarine to your ice cream and have been for decades!

Your last post though is sounding somewhat more reasonable in that instead of you referring to Canadian's raping you for profit, now it's just some oil company. Progress is being made here.

No one on this planet would think to defend a poor business practice regarding the piping of oil. A poor business practice is for a board of directors to purchase 20 year old, or indeed even 50 year old, in some cases, pipelines without thinking of factoring in the cost of bringing those pipelines up to more recent compliance. That goes for wherever those companies may be based.

Your country has literally thousands of miles of underground pipeline running willy-nilly throughout it. More than a few of those miles and miles of pipeline are nearing 50 years old. Some even close to the Ogallala Aquifer. Not all of it is owned by Enbridge.

Anyone advocating very strict protection of that aquifer should indeed be listened to. I would suggest however you paint with a broader brush if your prime concern is indeed simpy your environment and not based on your dislike of a particular country as your thread title and subsequent couple of posts would seem to suggest.
Petroleum oil is in ice cream and margarine? I don't think so. I am pretty sure that ingestion of petroleum is very harmful to human life and wildlife.

Also, I happen to like Canada so relax. It is the oil companies that want to take our land and rape our resources that I have a problem with.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:20 PM
 
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Petroleum oil is in ice cream and margarine? I don't think so. I am pretty sure that ingestion of petroleum is very harmful to human life and wildlife.

Also, I happen to like Canada so relax. It is the oil companies that want to take our land and rape our resources that I have a problem with.

Oh I see; so the title of the thread was just to get peoples attention then?

And yes; petroleum by-products and derivatives are used for various reasons in many items you eat. You just don't know it.

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