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Old 08-08-2012, 05:23 AM
 
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I think many companies are just tired of government regulations in America. It is too difficult to do business here for many of them and they are tired of the never ending regulations from local, state and federal agencies. It never stops. I don't blame a company for moving overseas or outsourcing jobs.
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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I think many companies are just tired of government regulations in America. It is too difficult to do business here for many of them and they are tired of the never ending regulations from local, state and federal agencies. It never stops. I don't blame a company for moving overseas or outsourcing jobs.
I bet you do now. SMH
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Outsourcing is very common in all industries. Not just in tech. It's also not anything like slave-trade. FedEx is one of the most successful companies in regards to outsourcing. They outsource all their deliveries to independent drivers and delivery companies across the nation. So, while a driver cannot get a job directly for FedEx, they can still get jobs for all the little delivery companies that get contracts from FedEx. And the wages are very reasonable.

The folks living in India are not relatives of the people working at the offices here. They are just people from the same nation.
Indeed, FedEx has been one of the more prolific employers of the Independent Service Provider Model, essentially subcontracting to smaller businesses who in turn rely on independent contractors or employees. This has been going on since the 80's.

Many states have sued FedEx on the basis of independent contractor vs employee. Drivers make $30-35k a year and are paid on load, not hours worked.

In contrast UPS is a union shop. Permanent full time drivers typically begin at $39k, get OT and full benefits.

It is believed that the long term trend towards outsourcing is one of the drivers of depressed wages in the US and increased shareholder values.

Let's remember that Walmart, McDonalds and Yum Brands ( Taco Bell) became the largest US private sector employers in the 80's. Technology substitution and outsourcing have been redefining the workplace for nearly 40 years.
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Old 12-05-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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Well. It's one thing to read about how companies have outsourced all our jobs, but quite another to see it up close and personal. I was so concerned about being late for my interview that I left way too soon and wound up sitting in the parking lot for half an hour to while away the time until my appointment. First thing I noticed? Almost every person who passed through the parking lot (people seemed to be returning from lunch) appeared to be from India. I wondered what business in the complex employed these people. Silly me. During the interview, which was with a large, name-brand insurance company (you know the name, but it won't be said here), I asked, casually, how many employees there were in that particular department. About 1500 the HR person said, and then stopped to clarify: " But we outsource all but about 300 of those jobs". He pointed to the vast room behind us and said that was where the 300 'in-house' employees worked. A sea of people from India, as far as the eye could see. These were people managing the tech side of the company business -- programmers, software analysts, god knows. Their relatives (who actually live in India) were doing the rest. Management looked to me (I checked their website) to be typical all American and mostly caucasian.

It was just a very weird sight. Corporate colonialism? Neo-slave trade? Wow.

I wasn't interviewing for one of the tech jobs. But don't kid yourself if you are in that field and looking for work. This is what you are up against.
Did you assume the sea of workers were related to the relatively small population of India that is engaged in technology? India has about 1 billion more people than the US. They all do not speak the same language or know each other.
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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It speaks to the profit motive in Corporate America, and how that trumps any other allegiance.
Go start a business and run it out of the kindness of your own heart rather than based on a profit motive to gain the most benefit to the company as you can and then get back to us how well that company is doing.

The problem is not private businesses working for a profit, it is government manipulating the industries (ie back door Socialism/Communism) through excessive regulation and taxation as well as picking winners and losers with cronyism.
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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Outsourcing is very common in all industries. Not just in tech. It's also not anything like slave-trade. FedEx is one of the most successful companies in regards to outsourcing. They outsource all their deliveries to independent drivers and delivery companies across the nation. So, while a driver cannot get a job directly for FedEx, they can still get jobs for all the little delivery companies that get contracts from FedEx. And the wages are very reasonable.

The folks living in India are not relatives of the people working at the offices here. They are just people from the same nation.
Contracting out IS modern slavery, especially in logistics. A contractor costs nothing for a company to employ for this or that, it is all his risks, sweet. The only contractors who benefit are the guys who have a team of contractors of their own whom they can screw for profits.
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