Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 07-30-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
76,971 posts, read 47,621,806 times
Reputation: 14806

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOlover View Post
Again we (Canada and Canadians) are also Leery of Mitt Romney since he does not seem to be any better and why the heck did you Guys not elect Ron Paul the only person IMO who made some sense on some issues and offred up Real Solutions to Run for office?
Why, because there is no support for true conservatives in US.

 
Old 07-30-2012, 01:05 PM
 
5,787 posts, read 4,715,346 times
Reputation: 853
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
So, you feel the US should purshase all Canadian oil so other countries can't have any, and you think the pipeline would have made this takeover possible? LOL.

Well, where to start???

- This pipeline would have allowed the USA to get more of their crude oil from Canada instead of from the Middle East and be beholden to them.

- This pipeline more than likely would have made oil not have to travel over oceans (possibly oil spills) and reduce the cost of that transportation.

- This pipeline would not have insulted our neighbor to the North

- This pipeline would have created lots of much needed jobs immediately
 
Old 07-30-2012, 01:13 PM
 
2,635 posts, read 3,511,205 times
Reputation: 1686
Quote:
Originally Posted by jt800 View Post
Well, where to start???

- This pipeline would have allowed the USA to get more of their crude oil from Canada instead of from the Middle East and be beholden to them.

- This pipeline more than likely would have made oil not have to travel over oceans (possibly oil spills) and reduce the cost of that transportation.

- This pipeline would not have insulted our neighbor to the North

- This pipeline would have created lots of much needed jobs immediately
You really have NO IDEA how the oil market operates, do you? Oil is a fungible commodity; building a pipeline would affect how it's transported but not on the aggregate production or delivery. This wikipedia article should explain it to you (if you don't get confused by all the big words):

Fungibility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 07-30-2012, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
2,200 posts, read 4,422,202 times
Reputation: 1386
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOlover View Post
As a Canadian I do not see the Issue here we first Came with a Deal that Benifitted both Countries..

After Obama had said he wanted to get energy indeendance from the ME and OPEC and were willing to bend over backwards to get that done to a close firend and ally and make it as safe as possible we even offered to Re-Route a whole section of pipeline at our expense..

But when it came time for the deal to go through all of Obama talk bout enegy independace for North America came to a hault when he said no to the Keystone XL even if we going to spend billions to Re Route it and make sure it was one of the safest pipelines ever built...

But Obama folded to pressure form Hollywood Celebs and Greenpeace so we had no other choice but to save our economy and China offered us a Deal that was way to good to pass up so we took it to save our own butts and Jobs and economy..

Uhhh, right. Good luck with that Northern Gateway pipeline, though. Even Christy Clark is trying to prevent it from going through her province.
 
Old 07-30-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
76,971 posts, read 47,621,806 times
Reputation: 14806
Quote:
Originally Posted by jt800 View Post
- This pipeline would have allowed the USA to get more of their crude oil from Canada instead of from the Middle East and be beholden to them.
How do you figure? Why wouldn't they sell oil to US? The Chinese made a bid to buy up shares in a Canadian company, like they did to a US compnay last year. Why should that mean that Canadians won't sell us any oil in the future?

Quote:
- This pipeline more than likely would have made oil not have to travel over oceans (possibly oil spills) and reduce the cost of that transportation.
What does this have to do with the Chinese buying up shares in a Canadian oil company?


Quote:
- This pipeline would not have insulted our neighbor to the North
They dont seem to insulted for having been successful in theit long efforts to attract Chinses investment.

Quote:
- This pipeline would have created lots of much needed jobs immediately
Several thousand temp jobs. Besides, the pipeline is not dead yet.

Google your information. All "human events" articles I have ever read have been nothing nut political entertainment with no factual value. They are designed to tickle the ears of the partian head.
 
Old 07-30-2012, 02:07 PM
 
31,387 posts, read 37,045,063 times
Reputation: 15038
Quote:
Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal View Post
Where those grenades illegally traffiked by the Obama-Holder DOJ/BATFE?
Shooting blanks again?

The issue is the corporate take over of a Canadian company with substantial holding and operations in United States territory.
Cnooc's acquisition of Nexen would mark an uptick in Chinese involvement in North America, where China has been relegated mostly to serving as a financial backer to U.S. and international oil companies. Nexen holds sizable assets in the Gulf of Mexico, and a successful acquisition would further open the door for Chinese companies to operate in North American oil and gas fields alongside established energy giants like Exxon Mobil.
Cnooc-Nexen Oil Deal Shows China's Influence on Global Output - WSJ.com

 
Old 07-30-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
11,155 posts, read 29,316,613 times
Reputation: 5479
Quote:
Originally Posted by psulions2007 View Post
Uhhh, right. Good luck with that Northern Gateway pipeline, though. Even Christy Clark is trying to prevent it from going through her province.

Agreed Christy is pretty sad when she litterally holding the Rest of Canada Hostage from creating a National Energy strategy for just for Bunch of Cash casue she is too dang Greedy to take a hit for the Good of the Country and the Economy.

To be honest she makes B.C. look bad... Instead of looking good and working with everyone else to figure out where we want to go as a Nation in terms of National Energy plan and National Sustainable Resource Development ..

some how I think Allison Redford and Christy Clark will have some behind closed door meetings and will come to some sort of a deal at some point in the near future..Just because so much is riding on this deal it goes beyond provincal political bickiering and enters Federal politics.

Last edited by GTOlover; 07-30-2012 at 02:33 PM..
 
Old 07-30-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
2,200 posts, read 4,422,202 times
Reputation: 1386
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOlover View Post
Agreed Christy is pretty sad when she litterally holding the Rest of Canada Hostage from creating a National Energy strategy for just for Bunch of Cash casue she is too dang Greedy to take a hit for the Good of the Country and the Economy.

To be honest she makes B.C. look bad... Instead of looking good and working with everyone else to figure out where we want to go as a Nation in terms of National Energy plan and National Sustainable Resource Development ..

some how I think Allison Redofrd and Christy Clark will have some behind closed door meetings and will come to some sort of a deal at some point in the near future..Just because so much is riding on this deal it goes beyond provincal political bickiering and enters Federal politics.
Well you know the reason Christy is doing this is to salvage any remote hope that she can steal votes from the NDP and Greens next provincial election as she'll be able to say she stood up for the environment and overall betterment of BC.

Of course we all know that is an immensely futile effort as the NDP will pretty much knock the Liberals so far out of Victoria that they'll be in Narnia.
 
Old 07-30-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
11,155 posts, read 29,316,613 times
Reputation: 5479
Quote:
Originally Posted by psulions2007 View Post
Well you know the reason Christy is doing this is to salvage any remote hope that she can steal votes from the NDP and Greens next provincial election as she'll be able to say she stood up for the environment and overall betterment of BC.

Of course we all know that is an immensely futile effort as the NDP will pretty much knock the Liberals so far out of Victoria that they'll be in Narnia.
Yup one thing Canada and the U.S. also share is messed up politics and Super greedy and power hungry politicans..

As a Country who is your Next Door Neighbor, Long time Friend, Ally and each others #1 Trading Partner...I must say no matter what it seems the Middle Class Workers always seem to get Screwed over by our own politicans so they can sell us out for more $$$ and huge profits..
 
Old 07-30-2012, 03:17 PM
 
5,787 posts, read 4,715,346 times
Reputation: 853
I find it rather sadly amusing that there are LIberals in the USA who act like this pipeline would be an environmental disaster.

They of course said that initially about the Alaska Pipeline and studies have found that it has helped the local animal population...the warm pipeline has become a breeding area.

But mainly, they act as if Canadians must not care as much about their own pristine environment as much as Americans. If anything, I'd say Canadians care MORE about the environment than Americans do.....and they don't have much of a problem with this Keystone pipeline on their side of the border.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:14 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top