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Old 08-05-2012, 07:26 AM
 
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again you like to twist someone's words to try to paint pro choice people as wanting to kill children already born and living life.

one more time...pro choice has nothing to do with children outside the womb whatsoever.


Can't make it through a post without contradicting yourself?


"children already born and living life"


Is a child not yet born not living?

Does the birth canal transform non-living fetuses into living babies?
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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How is a first- or second-term fetus a human being?



Couldn't the same argument be made in the other direction? What if a mother decides to keep the baby but the baby didn't want to live? Obviously the mother has to make a choice here, based on her beliefs, either way. Unfortunately the pregnant woman can't ask the fetus/baby, she can only make her best guess as to what would be best for the baby.

Isn't that what parents do with their young children too, anyway--make decisions on behalf of the young child? The fetus hasn't even left the birth canal yet--hardly in a place to make decisions on its own. It doesn't know what circumstances it will be born into--the pregnant woman does. Who can make a more informed decision here?

Giving birth to a baby is just as much a choice as aborting a fetus.



Yes, but the mother doesn't die.

The child does.

Easy to see how each would have a very different outlook.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:31 AM
 
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Can't make it through a post without contradicting yourself?


"children already born and living life"


Is a child not yet born not living?

Does the birth canal transform non-living fetuses into living babies?
no a child not yet born is not living life. it is gestating. when it become viable with the ability to live outside the womb is when it becomes able to live. how often do you see a 6 week old fetus hanging out at the playground?
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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except of course if they had voted with your opinion.

No.

I support Article I, Section VIII of the Constitution.

The limited powers of the federal government exclude it from passing legislation on what is clearly a state issue.

The Ninth and Tenth Amendments are in play as well.

I would like to see a pro-life amendment to the Constitution, but short of that, the federal government should stay out of what it has no specific authority to legislate on and the SC should have never heard the case.

If the pro-abortion people could get an amendment ratified that allowed abortion, then the federal government would have authority to give us legislation from the Congress on the matter.

As is, it was just a giant seizure of power from the states and the people by the federal government.

Business as usual.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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no a child not yet born is not living life. it is gestating. when it become viable with the ability to live outside the womb is when it becomes able to live. how often do you see a 6 week old fetus hanging out at the playground?


Hmm, so a fetus is dead or alive?
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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Yes, but the mother doesn't die.

The child does.

Easy to see how each would have a very different outlook.
What if the mother's life is at stake? Some women have medical conditions where childbirth could be a life-threatening process.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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Hmm, so a fetus is dead or alive?
it lives as long as it stays inside the womb. no woman, should have to gestate a baby against her will.

edited to add, using a religious term the fetus is in limbo until it becomes viable.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:01 AM
 
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the right to privacy is law across the US. why should a state get to restrict that law when it is law. should you only get to have free speech in 30 states? guns in 40? in this case why should a woman have to travel out of state for health care?


What part of the Constitution gives us a right to privacy and wouldn't a right to privacy conflict with the rights of free speech and a free press?


Like a hint?

If the federal government limited its activities to that which is authorized by the Constitution, no one would need a right to privacy.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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Again, not always. I have lived in an orphanage and visited it later on and worked with orphans. I get flashbacks at night today at 22 from the things that happened to me in the orphanage. I have volunteered with orphans and seen 16- to 18-year-olds being dropped off on the streets because they were never adopted. I have personally experienced, to an extent, and seen the devastating effects that being in an orphanage has on a human being. Adoption doesn't always work extremely well. Sometimes it does, but often it doesn't--especially if the baby in question happens to have a disability or happens to be a minority.

Even right here at home, there is a lot of abuse in the foster care system. Even without any abuse, being tossed around from one house to another can have extremely devastating psychological effects on a child.

So you would have preferred to have been aborted?
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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So you would have preferred to have been aborted?
if a fetus is aborted they would never know.
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