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That's as brutally honest as I am ever going to get here..But it had to be said- America is in trouble...If I were an alien from another world and I looked at human beings who were so sickly fixated on what other human being were doing with their breeding organs...and having a prolonged debate about what is use and what is abuse of the genitals- I would think you all insane. As this is going on - behind your backs you are all being raped and pillaged by criminals in high and low places- I would drop this bickering and focus on a thing called SURVIVAL...
The next administration will be the one to either save the nation or let the empire fall...This is a dangerous time and you had better focus...and not be played through your emotions- You think you would have learned after the Obama fraud...that emotions are to be put aside in times of crisis.
Your well being and the your future is not dependent on who is screwing who- it is dependent on not getting screwed again.
And how is that working out for the gay marriage battle?
It's working out quite well considering that its been the judicial branches of state governments that have struck down most of the laws against same-sex marriage.
A bunch of blather that is irrelevant as to whether the civil right of marriage (per the USSC) should be put to vote.
You are living in dream land - there are no civil rights left to speak of- You now have a nation that has entered into perpetual warfare that profits a small few and impoverishes the rest.
What rights do your really have? NONE.
You are living in dream land - there are no civil rights left to speak of- You now have a nation that has entered into perpetual warfare that profits a small few and impoverishes the rest.
What rights do your really have? NONE.
Which has nothing to do with whether or not the civil right of marriage (per the USSC) should be put to vote.
We can put Ballot Propositions to re-institute slavery on the ballot if we want to. They will be voted down in a huge landslide, of course, as they should be. And if one somehow passes, it will be brought to the courts instantly, who will suspend or strike it down before you can blink... again, as it should be.
But this country is a Constitutional Republic, and there are ways to handle such abominations as a law supporting slavery. And forbidding people to put propositions on the ballot, isn't one of them.
Don't want such things to be put on the ballot? Don't sign the petition that must be circulated to get it on the ballot, and/or campaign actively to tell other people not to sign it (and I'll join you in the effort).
But don't try to forbid people to try. THAT is what you cannot do.
We can put Ballot Propositions to re-institute slavery on the ballot if we want to. They will be voted down in a huge landslide, of course, as they should be. And if one somehow passes, it will be brought to the courts instantly, who will suspend or strike it down before you can blink... again, as it should be.
But this country is a Constitutional Republic, and there are ways to handle such abominations as a law supporting slavery. And forbidding people to put propositions on the ballot, isn't one of them.
Don't want such things to be put on the ballot? Don't sign the petition that must be circulated to get it on the ballot, and/or campaign actively to tell other people not to sign it (and I'll join you in the effort).
But don't try to forbid people to try. THAT is what you cannot do.
Funny how some want to quiet the voice of the people if the voice is not one they want to hear.
If polls showed a 60% chance of it passing they would be begging for it to be on the ballot.
The whole debate about whether gays should or should not be able to get married shouldn't be placed in the hands of people to vote. Before my Christian posters chew me out for making this claim, I agree with the biblical definition of marriage, which is between a man and a woman. But with that said, the United States of America, as many Christians want to blindly believe is not a Christian country. Nor is it a country where any one's religious opinions should be the law of the land when it violates a person's civil rights. The fact that gay people can't get married is a violation if their civil rights, and propositions should not be placed on ballots for people to vote for or against it when eventually people for or against it challenge that same proposition. Eventually the US Supreme Court will rule on gay marriage anyway, and no matter what I or anyone thinks about it, it will become the law of the land---ending this whole debate at least on the ballot.
I say put it on the national ballot and let the people vote. Let the majority decide..let the people decide.
why do people continue to make the claim that marriage is a civil right when it is NOT one?
also marriage is regulated at the state level, and thus it is up to the states to decide if gay marriage should be legal or not. and to that end, the citizenry of the state can usually get enough signatures to put the issue on a public ballot and let the people decide if they want gay marriage or not.
Because the United States Supreme Court has repeatedly stated that is is, in fact, a civil right.
Meyer v. Nebraska (1923)
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The problem for our determination is whether the statute as construed and applied unreasonably infringes the liberty guaranteed to the plaintiff in error by the Fourteenth Amendment. "No State shall . . . deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
While this Court has not attempted to define with exactness the liberty thus guaranteed, the term has received much consideration and some of the included things have been definitely stated. Without doubt, it denotes not merely freedom from bodily restraint but also the right of the individual to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and generally to enjoy those privileges long recognized at common law as essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.
Although Loving arose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals. Long ago, in Maynard v. Hill, 125 U. S. 190 (1888), the Court characterized marriage as "the most important relation in life," id., at 205, and as "the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress," id., at 211. In Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U. S. 390 (1923), the Court recognized that the right "to marry, establish a home and bring up children" is a central part of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause, id., at 399, and in Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, supra, marriage was described as "fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race," 316 U. S., at 541.
Who cares ? Trying to win something that 50% of the population would support is easier then trying to win something that only 35% support. No those are not actual figures as I dont know what they are but its obvious what one has a better chance of winning.
Indeed, it is glaringly obvious which side has a better chance of winning in the long run nationally, and in the short term in several states and the medium term (the next 2-3 years in several more states).
Acording to your chart it would pass. So why is the OP so concerned that it should not be on the ballot?
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