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Old 08-03-2012, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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8.3% and 163,000 jobs
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:41 AM
 
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Some more detail...

Jobs increase in July, but jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent | Reuters
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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8.3% and 163,000 jobs
Not bad. I thought the estimate was only +80K. The percentage is somewhat meaningless.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:51 AM
 
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The percentage is somewhat meaningless? LOL

If it was meaningless they would quit fudging it.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:53 AM
 
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The percentage is somewhat meaningless? LOLIf it was meaningless they would quit fudging it.
Maybe it is meaningful to you, but it is meaningless to me, because it is affected by people going into, and coming out of long term unemploytment.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The percentage is somewhat meaningless? LOL

If it was meaningless they would quit fudging it.
Of course they're "fudging it", they've been "fudging it" since, what is it, 1946 or something.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The percentage is somewhat meaningless? LOL

If it was meaningless they would quit fudging it.
Exactly.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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I happen to agree that the UE number is pointless to look at alone. However, its use and abuse by folks is simply amusing.

The percentage is meaningless when it goes up, but when it goes down it is a remarkable statistic to analyze. When the jobs numbers are low (80,000), it's 'well the UE rate continues to drop'. When the jobs number is decent but UE rate is up, then it's 'but look we added more jobs then expected.'
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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The CNBC story is even more telling.

Economy Creates 163,000 New Jobs but Rate Rises to 8.3% - US Business News - CNBC

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Despite the seemingly good news, the report's household showed that the actual amount of Americans working dropped by 195,000, with the net job gain resulting primarily from seasonal adjustments in the establishment survey.
That is simply sad.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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I happen to agree that the UE number is pointless to look at alone. However, its use and abuse by folks is simply amusing.

The percentage is meaningless when it goes up, but when it goes down it is a remarkable statistic to analyze. When the jobs numbers are low (80,000), it's 'well the UE rate continues to drop'. When the jobs number is decent but UE rate is up, then it's 'but look we added more jobs then expected.'
That doesn't mean it's meaningless, that just means that politicians are good and happy with spinning it.
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