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Old 10-04-2007, 08:25 PM
 
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I do watch Jon Stewart from time to time if I am passing the tube between the living room and kitchen.

Actually Niccolo Machiavelli's, "The Prince" is one of my all time favorite books. I literally keep a copy on the coffee table. Oddly enough, I don't even disagree with all of the views held by the neoconservative Platonist, only their method of implementation. I share and see the wisdom of much of Plato's works even if he was a quintessential pessimist. Heck, you can even find that Platonic view in the words of Winston Churchill when he said, "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter". Sometimes I find it too hard to argue to even bother trying.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:33 PM
 
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Obviously well read, THt.

I was just searching for the title of a book by Katzanskatis (apparently OoP) in which he said, I have no hope, I have no fear, I am forever free. One of the few quotes I remember and remind myself of regularly.

I only saw a clip from the Stewart interview; the two were laughing, but Mr. Hardball didn't appreciate Stewart's failure to appreciate, yes, let's say the art of illusion.

PS - Seek and thee shall find: The book title is Toda Raba. It is apparently obscure as it took me pages and pages to find it. A wonderful book about, yes, trying to find myself in a battle.




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I do watch Jon Stewart from time to time if I am passing the tube between the living room and kitchen.

Actually Niccolo Machiavelli's, "The Prince" is one of my all time favorite books. I literally keep a copy on the coffee table. Oddly enough, I don't even disagree with all of the views held by the neoconservative Platonist, only their method of implementation. I share and see the wisdom of much of Plato's works even if he was a quintessential pessimist. Heck, you can even find that Platonic view in the words of Winston Churchill when he said, "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter". Sometimes I find it too hard to argue to even bother trying.

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Old 10-04-2007, 09:21 PM
 
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Obviously well read, THt.

I was just searching for the title of a book by Katzanskatis (apparently OoP) in which he said, I have no hope, I have no fear, I am forever free. One of the few quotes I remember and remind myself of regularly.

I only saw a clip from the Stewart interview; the two were laughing, but Mr. Hardball didn't appreciate Stewart's failure to appreciate, yes, let's say the art of illusion.

PS - Seek and thee shall find: The book title is Toda Raba. It is apparently obscure as it took me pages and pages to find it. A wonderful book about, yes, trying to find myself in a battle.
Kazantzakis would have probably admired Kierkegaard's views on Plato. He seems to be a most interesting individual torn by the dualistic nature of man, one where the struggle is more important than the result maybe?

"It isn't Russia that interests me, but the flame consuming Russia. Amelioration of the fate of the masses or of the elite; happiness, justice, virtue: these things that lure so many people do not catch me."

I found a place that has Toda Raba for like 6 bucks, I may have to pick up a copy.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:29 PM
 
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I believe there is at least one, perhaps several books reviewing Kazantzakis' philosophy, one comparing him to Nietzsche. And didn't Kierkegaard do an interesting update on the Symposium? Or am I fantasizing now that it is growing late.

And yes the struggle, not necessarily more important, but equally challenging.

If you do get the Todo Raba, and read it during our online life together, I'd like to hear what you think of it. I was in a peculiar state of mind when I read that book and in a peculiar state of mind now.

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Kazantzakis would have probably admired Kierkegaard's views on Plato. He seems to be a most interesting individual torn by the dualistic nature of man, one where the struggle is more important than the result maybe?

"It isn't Russia that interests me, but the flame consuming Russia. Amelioration of the fate of the masses or of the elite; happiness, justice, virtue: these things that lure so many people do not catch me."

I found a place that has Toda Raba for like 6 bucks, I may have to pick up a copy.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:41 PM
 
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And yes the struggle, not necessarily more important, but equally challenging.

If you do get the Todo Raba, and read it during our online life together, I'd like to hear what you think of it. I was in a peculiar state of mind when I read that book and in a peculiar state of mind now.
I have to laugh when I think back to a comment you made a while back about an eternal state of revolution. Trotsky light, but perhaps less Straussian and more Socratic.

Yeah, I am making up my winters book list and am still trying to find an affordable publisher for my own musings, so I will most definitely add this to the list which should get me to the middle of Jan. thus far.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:30 PM
 
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Well, enjoy those quiet hours of reading. And I like musings, as you probably have figured out, and have a stack of winter reads, and a write, too!

'Night!

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I have to laugh when I think back to a comment you made a while back about an eternal state of revolution. Trotsky light, but perhaps less Straussian and more Socratic.

Yeah, I am making up my winters book list and am still trying to find an affordable publisher for my own musings, so I will most definitely add this to the list which should get me to the middle of Jan. thus far.
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