Liberals, progressives and socialists (accuse, party, money, government)
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I don't. Is he one of those with a list for witch-hunt that you have been running scared of, or one that you support and want to talk about?
You could research Walter E. Williams and maybe learn something about him. I guess you restrict your reading to things like Think Progress, and Media Matters for you to admit that you don't know who Williams is. I feel for you but now know a bit more about your left lean and the direction it seems to go,
He really thinks that Obama supports the Occupy movement?
Does he realize that Obama gave the orders to shut it down with armed police, and that most Occupiers don't like Obama?
The ones that recognize that he's a 1%'er I would gather.
"Here's my question: Why are the horrors of Nazism so well-known and widely condemned but not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught -- and possibly is covered up -- is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in mankind's history"
Right there in the beginning of your article is a big fat lie. Actually two lies but the second is a bit more subtle. First I and my contemporaries were taught about the murders by the state of both the Soviets and the Chinese. The second lie is that neither of those countries were in actuality socialist or communist. They were both authoritarian dictatorships run by a small oligarchy who used any means possible to deceive the population and remain in power.
So tell me Roy when the article bases its assumptions on lies why should I bother to read past those lies?For someone who claims to have been a history teach your critical thinking skills seem to be lacking.
I am very sorry that you don't have any idea what political thinking either Mao or Stalin had. Yes they were dictators but they championed collectivism which is the basis of communism and socialism. Did Obama talk about a form of collectivism when he told Joe the Plumber that he thought a little wealth redistribution was needed? Is that not at least socialist and leaning very far toward communism?
I don't know when you went to high school but I do know what I learned about these people in the early 1950s in college and later in the early 1960s and that the take over of the colleges by leaners hadn't taken place yet. Maybe I have just been taken in about socialism and communism by those right leaning professors I studied under in those years. Hell, I was still hearing the same things in the mid to late 70s.
Do you know quite a bit about the Russian Revolution and who won? How about the early dictators of the nation? Of course, you know all about Mao that people like that Dunn woman who idolized Mao.
Now since you are so sure that Williams told lies because of what you were taught by left leaners you fail to learn anything because you can't read what he writes. I think you might find that he is much more educated in history than you are, at least, in unleft leaning history.
I am beginning to think you are a rather convincing troll...
How much of that link did you read? Isn't the Allinsky method you use just a bit trollish? I think so because you want to make noise without knowing what the man said.
I am very sorry that you don't have any idea what political thinking either Mao or Stalin had. Yes they were dictators but they championed collectivism which is the basis of communism and socialism. Did Obama talk about a form of collectivism when he told Joe the Plumber that he thought a little wealth redistribution was needed? Is that not at least socialist and leaning very far toward communism?
I don't know when you went to high school but I do know what I learned about these people in the early 1950s in college and later in the early 1960s and that the take over of the colleges by leaners hadn't taken place yet. Maybe I have just been taken in about socialism and communism by those right leaning professors I studied under in those years. Hell, I was still hearing the same things in the mid to late 70s.
Do you know quite a bit about the Russian Revolution and who won? How about the early dictators of the nation? Of course, you know all about Mao that people like that Dunn woman who idolized Mao.
Now since you are so sure that Williams told lies because of what you were taught by left leaners you fail to learn anything because you can't read what he writes. I think you might find that he is much more educated in history than you are, at least, in unleft leaning history.
First off Roy, do you know my teachers? Pretty presumptious of you to think them "left leaners". Secondly, again your critical thinking skills are lacking and perhaps your knowledge of just what communism and socialism really are. As I was taught, and seems rather self evident to any who aren't completly braindead, actions speak louder than words. The leaders of the Russian revolution might possibly have tried to develope a truely communist system but they were soon eliminated by the oligarchs who seized power and control for themselves. They talked a good game but their actions gave the lie to their words. I showed you right in the quote directly from that article the lie he tried to build his case on. Or are you now trying to tell me that his assertion that the slaughter of both Russian and Chinese citizens is not taught is right? I know that to be a lie and you certainly should as well. When someone starts their argument with a blatent lie it leads me to believe they are only propagandizing for their own purpose. I would put it to you Roy that you are the one failing to learn because you look only to one point of view for you information. Broaden your perspective and you just may be able to get a better idea of the whole picture. You might be able to discern between the propaganda and the truth. It can come from many sides but with your blinders on you will miss more than you hit. I really hate to break it to you Roy, but there is some collectivism involved in any society. Its the basic foundation of society. You know, people contributing something of their own for the betterment of the larger group. Past that its simply an argument as to the degree of contribution and the motivation for that contribution.
First off Roy, do you know my teachers? Pretty presumptious of you to think them "left leaners". Secondly, again your critical thinking skills are lacking and perhaps your knowledge of just what communism and socialism really are. As I was taught, and seems rather self evident to any who aren't completly braindead, actions speak louder than words. The leaders of the Russian revolution might possibly have tried to develope a truely communist system but they were soon eliminated by the oligarchs who seized power and control for themselves. They talked a good game but their actions gave the lie to their words. I showed you right in the quote directly from that article the lie he tried to build his case on. Or are you now trying to tell me that his assertion that the slaughter of both Russian and Chinese citizens is not taught is right? I know that to be a lie and you certainly should as well. When someone starts their argument with a blatent lie it leads me to believe they are only propagandizing for their own purpose. I would put it to you Roy that you are the one failing to learn because you look only to one point of view for you information. Broaden your perspective and you just may be able to get a better idea of the whole picture. You might be able to discern between the propaganda and the truth. It can come from many sides but with your blinders on you will miss more than you hit. I really hate to break it to you Roy, but there is some collectivism involved in any society. Its the basic foundation of society. You know, people contributing something of their own for the betterment of the larger group. Past that its simply an argument as to the degree of contribution and the motivation for that contribution.
I bet you would call the college professor who told us about Russian collective farms in 1977 a liar. He wasn't pushing anything other than the fact that life on the farm collectives was pretty sad. Do much of what I have always heard about collectives was what he heard from the people who lived on those farms.
I fear that you really don't know much about those places and that you learned your info from someone who leaned a bit further left than I can stand. Those people had realized that they were being used to pay for the workers in the factories. Of course, I doubt that any teachers ever told you how bad those people had it in order to get money to pay the city workers. You certainly don't believe it now, do you?
First off Roy, do you know my teachers? Pretty presumptious of you to think them "left leaners". Secondly, again your critical thinking skills are lacking and perhaps your knowledge of just what communism and socialism really are. As I was taught, and seems rather self evident to any who aren't completly braindead, actions speak louder than words. The leaders of the Russian revolution might possibly have tried to develope a truely communist system but they were soon eliminated by the oligarchs who seized power and control for themselves. They talked a good game but their actions gave the lie to their words. I showed you right in the quote directly from that article the lie he tried to build his case on. Or are you now trying to tell me that his assertion that the slaughter of both Russian and Chinese citizens is not taught is right? I know that to be a lie and you certainly should as well. When someone starts their argument with a blatent lie it leads me to believe they are only propagandizing for their own purpose. I would put it to you Roy that you are the one failing to learn because you look only to one point of view for you information. Broaden your perspective and you just may be able to get a better idea of the whole picture. You might be able to discern between the propaganda and the truth. It can come from many sides but with your blinders on you will miss more than you hit. I really hate to break it to you Roy, but there is some collectivism involved in any society. Its the basic foundation of society. You know, people contributing something of their own for the betterment of the larger group. Past that its simply an argument as to the degree of contribution and the motivation for that contribution.
I bet you would call the college professor who told us about Russian collective farms in 1977 a liar. He wasn't pushing anything other than the fact that life on the farm collectives was pretty sad. Do much of what I have always heard about collectives was what he heard from the people who lived on those farms.
I fear that you really don't know much about those places and that you learned your info from someone who leaned a bit further left than I can stand. Those people had realized that they were being used to pay for the workers in the factories. Of course, I doubt that any teachers ever told you how bad those people had it in order to get money to pay the city workers. You certainly don't believe it now, do you?
Hey, Marv, you failed to talk about how much you really know about the Russian Revolution. Maybe when you get around to that you could talk about the early 1920s and the reason that the farmers filled their rivers and streams with pigs back then.
So you failed to read the link too? You people really amaze me.
... I long ago stopped reading your lame links.
But I do enjoy playing your paranoia.
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Dear roy...
