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Old 08-09-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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This should concern all citizens.

What Rand Paul Learned From Secret Security Hearings - Reason.com

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Gazillions. That's the number of times the federal government has spied on Americans since 9/11 through the use of drones, legal search warrants, illegal search warrants, federal agent-written search warrants and just plain government spying. This is according to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who, when he asked the government to tell him what it was doing to violate our privacy, was given a classified briefing. The senator -- one of just a few in the U.S. Senate who believes that the Constitution means what it says -- was required by federal law to agree not to reveal what spies and bureaucrats told him during the briefing.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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I'm sure the USA has to look within as well as out to avoid threats to the country.

Makes sense to me.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I'm sure the USA has to look within as well as out to avoid threats to the country.

Makes sense to me.
The 4th amendment disagrees with your assessment.

But I am glad we have a mole in government at the moment.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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T This is according to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who, when he asked the government to tell him what it was doing to violate our privacy, was given a classified briefing. The senator -- one of just a few in the U.S. Senate who believes that the Constitution means what it says -- was required by federal law to agree not to reveal what spies and bureaucrats told him during the briefing.
So then... you're saying Rand Paul is a federal criminal by revealing these things?
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The 4th amendment disagrees with your assessment.
Nope. It doesn't. I just checked.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So then... you're saying Rand Paul is a federal criminal by revealing these things?
Do you?

Everything 1933-1945 era Germany did was legal.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Nope. It doesn't. I just checked.
Agree to disagree. My examination reveals a different answer.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Do you?
If what Frank wrote is true... yes.

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Everything 1933-1945 Germany did was legal.
Ignoring your sudden and catastrophic Godwin Implosion there... no. It wasn't.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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If what you wrote is true... yes.
Disagree.

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Ignoring your sudden and catastrophic Godwin Implosion there... no. It wasn't.
Godwin doesn't apply as the proper keyword wasn't there. Everything they did agreed with the laws they set forth.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Agree to disagree.
Nope. I don't agree to disagree. You're objectively wrong.

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My examination reveals a different answer.
A wrong one.
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