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Old 08-12-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: WY
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Is a gun like a virus? After mass shootings, doctors target gun violence as a social disease - The Washington Post

What we need, they say, is a public health approach to the problem, like the highway safety measures, product changes and driving laws that slashed deaths from car crashes decades ago, even as the number of vehicles on the road rose.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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No, a gun is not "like a virus". Like any tool, its value depends upon the character and intent of the individual using it.

Sorry to have to point this out to the gun grabbers on the short-bus for the billionth time but the comparison from vehicles to firearms is a incorrect analogy as you have no Constitutionally affirmed right to keep and drive a car.

Government statism is the greatest risk to public health. Statism is a communicable social disease. Fight it!

Protect your children against it by teaching them our real politically incorrect history that they are not teaching in the schools.

http://www.libertyclassroom.com/
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Gun violence is endemic to certain areas and certain communities. In that sense, yes, it has characteristics of a public health crisis. However, it isn't a pandemic, so, blanket-tools employed at a general level probably wouldn't get much done.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: where people are either too stupid to leave or too stuck to move
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no, violence is a social disease, guns just make it more easier for anyone to succumb to their illness
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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Gun violence is endemic to certain areas and certain communities. In that sense, yes, it has characteristics of a public health crisis. However, it isn't a pandemic, so, blanket-tools employed at a general level probably wouldn't get much done.
Violence and disrespect for life is what is endemic; the tool of choice matters not. Address the government's role in the devolution of our society in morals, values and personal responsiblity and solve the problem by ending the cycle brought on by government policies. The gun in and of itself is not the problem.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:12 PM
 
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Address the government's role in the devolution of our society in morals, values and personal responsiblity and solve the problem.
But again, that doesn't seem to be the problem - "the government" is a general entity which operates at a national level. But gun violence is an endemic problem which is far more prevalent in very specific areas and neighborhoods than others. Endemic problems usually require local solutions. If "the government" were the problem, we'd expect the problem to be pandemic in nature rather than endemic.

And sure, the instruments of violence matter in this discussion. For instance, in the early 1900's, there used to be a lot more murders involving dynamite and poisons. If the problem you are looking at is "murder," then naturally, you'd look at how murders are carried out, and in what percentages, and where.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Sorry to have to point this out to the gun grabbers on the short-bus for the billionth time but the comparison from vehicles to firearms is a incorrect analogy as you have no Constitutionally affirmed right to keep and drive a car.

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It's good to know that the founding fathers decided in their wisdom that we don't have a "constitutional right" to own and drive a car.

You would have thought that Ben Franklin would have been for the right to drive a car.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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Since when have cars become so safe? Drivers have become so distracted by trinkets and toys, driving now is at an all time dangerous... Even bath tubs cause more death per year than guns.

Even doctors kill more patients than most guns ever have.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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But again, that doesn't seem to be the problem - "the government" is a general entity which operates at a national level. But gun violence is an endemic problem which is far more prevalent in very specific areas and neighborhoods than others. Endemic problems usually require local solutions. If "the government" were the problem, we'd expect the problem to be pandemic in nature rather than endemic.

And sure, the instruments of violence matter in this discussion. For instance, in the early 1900's, there used to be a lot more murders involving dynamite and poisons. If the problem you are looking at is "murder," then naturally, you'd look at how murders are carried out, and in what percentages, and where.
No, the federal government policies of welfare entitlements which starting in the 1960's encouraged women of low income families to claim they were single or abandoned (actually encouraged husbands to move out) in order to receive welfare lead up to today's single mother's with multiple baby daddy's and no father at home to help raise young boys into responsible men and young girls into responsible young women. Instead we have, in general, higher than average school drop out rates in the inner city, high teen pregancy rates and minor ages women having abortions or babies (often for the additional welfare benefits). No education means no employment, no employment means no hope and another generation on welfare not requiring a father in the home for income. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.....drugs, gangs, crime.

In these neighborhoods there is no hope for doing better and moving out. Thus, life means little other than surviving the day. No snitch policies are the norm rather than the exception. Gangs replace families and the father's role. Government entitlement payments replace the father's financial role as bread winner.

There is no "local" solution where federal policies are every bit interwoven as neighborhood dynamics. It must be addressed as a problem at whole. Epidemics spread, they are not soley local in nature.

Clue: most of the daily gun violence from which more deaths occur than from these recently high media profile "mass shootings" are by people who have obtained and possessed the guns illegally to begin with. No "gun control" legislation or policies will affect those don't abide by our laws to begin with. Only the law-abiding will be disarmed. (see Chicago)
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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no, violence is a social disease, guns just make it more easier for anyone to succumb to their illness
^This
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