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No kidding! One could argue these women are advertising their sexual behavior too, since we all know even the virgins among them won't be for long.
P.S. I love how the men (at the door) just look flabbergasted by the whole thing... only a woman could understand, I guess.
Thanks for providing another great example of what I have been talking about! The level of sophistication and refinement emanating from the behavior of these women brings to mind images of the mindless mobs in Walmart stores on black friday, or mud wrestling. Of course, what you posted is a staged event ... people do naturally tend to behave this way these days without much encouragement, and it's not a pretty picture of where our "modern American society" is heading (or may already have arrived). Although I saw no underlying subliminal or overt sexual message there .... the same immature, cattle like behavior which appeals to impulse rather than reason, was obviously in force.
And this is an important point .... behavior based on impulse is absent of reason, and that's a great reason to avoid impulse driven behavior. And whether the lure is sex, or the promise of something free ... or in the case of the free vibrators, both, it is nonetheless a lure ..... a hook with a wiggly worm attached for which the more intelligent fishy doesn't bite.
Last night, as my spouse and I were doing what we do a lot less of these days (watching TV !!! not what some of you dirty minds were thinking I was going to say ) a commercial came on, and we immediately looked at each other with dumbfounded amazement. The "Perfect Polly" .... a freaking plastic bird that chirps and bobs it's head. The lead in of the promotional remarks how messy and how much work is involved owning a real bird, while you can have "all the pleasure" of a real bird without all the mess ... the perfect polly ... and there they are, the mom and dad and kid, petting the plastic bird ... gazing in amazement at the plastic bird in what can only be defined as shear lunacy .... and the bonus? It comes with it's own perch, and it has an on-off switch when you're tired of hearing it chirp!!
What the hell? I mean, really ... 30 years ago, this might be a spoof commercial on a Saturday Night Live show ... but not today ... it's no spoof anymore .... it's the real deal. This makes the Chia-Pet look sophisticated by comparison ... because, however ridiculous that was, at least that had something actually alive growing out of it. This is targeting a market of pure low grade morons (or creating such a market) ... and because this is a televised commercial, you can bet that there will be ten's, if not hundreds of thousands of these idiotic plastic parakeets sold, at a minimum, simply to justify the costs of the advertising. This proves that our society isn't just in a state of arrested development ... it's in a severe state of intellectual attack and decline ... a severe dumbing down is occurring, and not enough people are apparently even consciously aware of the fact that they are being programmed and conditioned like Pavlov's dogs.
How does this all tie into the freebie vibrators? Simple ... that was just another public spectacle that targets the base impulses which bypass the reason center of the brain, that capitalizes on an ever increasing number of the population that no longer possess the capability of reasoned thought and response.
The common retort that many have presented here is "what business is it of others if someone wants a free vibrator"? And "what's wrong with openness about sex" ... blah, blah, blah. Well, I'll tell you .... we all have to live in this society ... and if these things are creating a society that behaves in an ever increasing impulse response mode, lacking of conscious reasoning and good judgement, it affects all of us negatively, even if the "group think crowd" is too dumbed down to realize it. That's why. To make a crude analogy ... the person with a booger hanging out of their nose doesn't realize it ... otherwise they'd do something about it, rather than walk around like that. OKAY? So, if someone said, hey .. you have something hanging out of your nose ... what would be the most logical response? Maybe check, and remove the offending matter? Or, ********* ... what's wrong with having something hanging out of your nose ... it's all quite natural you know? Because this is what is happening, in essence.
Now, I was born in the 1950's ... and you were born in the late 70's, correct? Well, I have an advantage in experiential knowledge that you don't have. When I was born, TV was a fairly new technology ... yes I'm freaking old as dirt and when I was growing up, there were 4 TV channels, in black and white! And most of the programs incorporated elements of good, honorable values .... most of those presented a theme of morality, honesty, doing the right thing, kindness and so forth. Some of it was unrealistically optimistic like "Leave it to Beaver", depicting this perfect family and raising children like Wally and Beaver, with the trouble maker neighbor kid (Eddie) that they always had to avoid following, otherwise they always found trouble. Shows like this presented a great message. Today, and really programs over the past 20 years or so present the exact opposite messages ... and the reality is, it does effect public behavior. The technology of TV actually does induce an alpha brain-wave state in the viewer, which is a state of high suggestibility that bypasses the normal reason center of the brain, and this has been known since the 1960's, and possibly earlier. (it's not a conspiracy theory). And this is the primary weapon of attack .... whether we're talking the headline news which targets the fear impulse .... the advertising which targets the impulse to consume .. or the sexually suggestive programming (about 70-80%) which targets that primitive impulse which is well known for it's ability to overpower reason And all of this programming is being done to us without the majority being consciously aware. People are literally behaving and reacting according to someone else's choices and not their own will. And it's purposely designed to be regressive, and if you were 20 years older, you'd be able to see the contrast better, because you'd have more personal experience to draw upon for comparison.
But I'll give everyone here a modern example that defies any form of reason whatsoever. Texting. Pure, idiotic, inexplicable behavior that defies reason. And now we have this new crisis of people mindlessly wrecking their cars as they attempt to drive and text at the same time! You need only be observant to witness people everywhere, glued to their cell phones, clicking away. And not just a quick message like "call home when you can" ... no ... conversations ... people will have long conversations via texting, when a simple push of a button would allow them to speak with one another. What's next on the advanced communication front? Morse Code? Are we going to de-engineer our $600 iPhones into glorified pagers?
How many people think I'm speaking latin here? I can't wait for all of the rationalizations for why people use a cell phone to text "how R U .... see you @ 7).
And Twitter ... people tweeting ... it is absolute insanity squared. And the inside secret joke shouldn't be such a secret to a person capable of thinking ... because what would you call a user of twitter? YES ... that's right .... a "T W I T". What is twit? A foolish, or silly person.
And yes, it's all of our business when we see the entire population being mentally programmed into "twits" who cannot think ... unless we can strip them of the right to vote ... to serve on juries ... to drive automobiles on our highways ... to hold public jobs ... to teach in our schools ... and any other activity to which being a non-thinking moron poses a threat to the rest of us, or is otherwise counterproductive to the advancement of our species.
I think that was the point ... people want to limit what their children are exposed to, without having to sequester them from every imaginable public display of such sexual "openness" that has gotten carried away, and particularly the constant bombardment of homosexuality, from the White House right down to the School House. TV, video, internet, and everywhere in between, it is sex, sex, sex ... not just in adult television, but even children's programming too (and they don't call it TV programming for nothing!)
My point is you cannot "limit" what children are exposed to unless they are locked up.
It's out of control, with adults displaying no concept of self regulation, and it's indecently inappropriate ... and impossible to escape. It's an attack on the innocence of children, and the sensibilities of those not totally governed by their sexual impulses ... that's the gripe, and it's a legitimate one.
Then don't go out with your kids around adults.
And why does this not surprise me? Our children are literally being bathed in a sea of sexual depravity, and your major concern is that your little ones psyches might be corrupted with messages of morality and all that Jesus stuff? Oh yeah ... that's pure poison, for sure.
I don't consider religion to be "moral." One can have ethics and morality without the influence of religion. And though I do think that sexualization of children is a worry, it is the job of the parent to bring up sex earlier so as not to make it taboo.
I consider it a real departure from reality to equate the teachings of Jesus with the Nation of Islam, but I would also question the depth of religious influence any kid is "subjected to" in today's public school system which has exorcised religion to the extent that it's no longer allowed to mention the words God or Jesus without the full wrath of leftist organizations converging on the school to exact severe punishment.
Why would you consider it a departure from reality? Many Christians teach intolerance just like NOI does, even though I do see NOI as worse than most sects of Christianity. Kids, especially ones from uber, evangelical families talk about religion, ALL THE TIME! Regardless of what many conservative Christians believe, god-talk is alive and well in school, especially in regards to the children who attend church regularly. Also my kids go to a Charter school and they speak a lot about "controversial" subjects including religion and politics. They have had debates in school about religion, illegal immigration, racism/racist, prejudices, homosexuality - all sorts of things. I don't mind my kid hearing someone else's POV on anything because I feel that he should be thinking critically and questioning everything that he hears, sees or experiences, even from me, which I tell him often.
Altogether rational and well balanced and sounding good. But I can't help but to think that you will be directing significant efforts to influence your children's developing views of the absence of a God or Creator ... regardless of the many religions you may discuss with them. And that is your choice, as people will inevitably impose they're values and belief systems on their children. But I would argue that there seems to be an inherent psychological need in most human beings to believe in a higher power, explaining why such beliefs have been an ongoing, though changing belief for thousands of years. It seems that humans naturally gravitate toward the intuitive belief of some from of higher intelligence, and that it takes a conscious and deliberate effort to kill that. Are you so certain that you know the truth that was never discovered by countless generations before you ... simply because you have bought into the 20th century leftist atheism doctrine for which you currently operate under?
I don't care if my kids are religious. I know many atheist who are not like me in this regard and you may have me confused with them - those who use atheism as their own religion and try to spread atheism. I don't do that. My kids have gone to church and vacation bible school and even to mosques of regular Muslims, not NOI who I don't consider a part of Islam. My son, who is 10 has been to Buddhist temples and even a Bahai center and many sorts of churches from Catholic to Evangelical Protestant. I don't have any issue with my kids being religious and my son knows this. I don't make it a mission to indoctrinate my children with my own beliefs like religious people do.
And I agree with you that there is an "inherent psychological need" for humans to continuously believe in an higher power. I am not one of those many though. I am fine with the world the way it is and don't care about creation and am not afraid of death. I also treat people like I want to be treated and don't need to be afraid of any sort of deity in order to be respectful to others. Most religions to me, since I was a child younger than my son, have seemed like fairy tales and I have no need for them in my life. That is not to say my kids won't have that need. I would hope they don't and can be content to deal with reality in a practical way, but everyone, including my children aren't like me and I am fine with that.
Also, I am no "leftist." Don't know where you got that from just because I am non-religious. I am a moderate politically and have both left and right leanings depending on the issue.
An extreme oversimplification. The vibrator issue is just analogous to a much deeper problem that manifests in many forms in modern American society that is totally preoccupied, to an unhealthy extent, with sex, as if that is the primary reason for life. It is, only if you are a mindless breeder, who's base urges rule your every thought. This may be a natural state for the developing teenager with raging hormones, but when maintained long into adulthood is a sure sign of arrested psychological maturity.
Humanit as a whole has always been preoccupied with sex. That is nothing new. People used to just not talk about it as much but that doesn't mean they weren't using the vibrators or watching the porn. Pretty much all people like having sex, not just when they are teenagers either. I agree that adolescents have more raging hormones and may be sexually focused moreso than adults, but adults are what drive the sex industry, not teens and adults have driven the sex industry for generations, since this industry has been around.
Basically people just talk about sex more instead of just being quiet about it. That doesn't mean that anyone's mindset has changed or that adults are in a state of "arrested psychological maturity." It means that, as a society, we are evolving to actually be honest with ourselves ad admitting that we like sex and that there is nothing wrong with sex or sex toys and even discussing how some people can take sex to the extreme - like sex addicts or porn addiction. More people are honest now about the good and the bad in regards human sexuality. Not talking about it and not seeing people in line for vibrators does not mean people are more mature about sex. You dont' know what kind of sexual freaks your parents or grandparents were. I have heard stories especially about my grandfather and great grandparents from older people who now will talk about things they used to not talk about. All of this is nothing new, people are just more open and honest.
Decency and thoughtfulness ... you do have a grasp of the concept!! OK .. good ... we have something to work with. Children who are properly raised don't behave in such disrespectful ways, generally. Of course there are always the exceptions, and many families experience raising three wonderfully adjusted kids, and one demon seed that no amount of training seems to work. But overall, the magnitude of the problem we see today is based on a lot of false ideas and presumptions that single parents or two parent households with both parents working can effectively raise children by seeing them for two hours a day, and leaving them to the state, to the television, video games and internet to be raised and trained the other 10-12 waking hours.
I agree with you here. I do think that raising children, actually being present for them are more of an issue in our society, more pressing especially over the sight of shiny blue boxes of vibrators.
My point is you cannot "limit" what children are exposed to unless they are locked up.
Just reading this first line of your post... I realize I probably haven't the time to correct the whole thing. You most certainly can limit what children are exposed to without locking them up. And even if you were right and we couldn't, don't you think that's a rather sad commentary on this would-be civilization we've built? That the only way to keep children from seeing a bunch of people carrying vibrators (Note that in this very incident, people had taken theirs out of the boxes before getting just a few blocks away) is to blindfold them when we take them anywhere?
I know, "It's no big deal if kids see vibrators", right? Well where do we draw the line, because every time I think we all agree on some elementary concept of public decency, the line gets moved
Thanks for providing another great example of what I have been talking about! The level of sophistication and refinement emanating from the behavior of these women brings to mind images of the mindless mobs in Walmart stores on black friday, or mud wrestling. Of course, what you posted is a staged event ... people do naturally tend to behave this way these days without much encouragement, and it's not a pretty picture of where our "modern American society" is heading (or may already have arrived). Although I saw no underlying subliminal or overt sexual message there .... the same immature, cattle like behavior which appeals to impulse rather than reason, was obviously in force.
And this is an important point .... behavior based on impulse is absent of reason, and that's a great reason to avoid impulse driven behavior. And whether the lure is sex, or the promise of something free ... or in the case of the free vibrators, both, it is nonetheless a lure ..... a hook with a wiggly worm attached for which the more intelligent fishy doesn't bite.
Last night, as my spouse and I were doing what we do a lot less of these days (watching TV !!! not what some of you dirty minds were thinking I was going to say ) a commercial came on, and we immediately looked at each other with dumbfounded amazement. The "Perfect Polly" .... a freaking plastic bird that chirps and bobs it's head. The lead in of the promotional remarks how messy and how much work is involved owning a real bird, while you can have "all the pleasure" of a real bird without all the mess ... the perfect polly ... and there they are, the mom and dad and kid, petting the plastic bird ... gazing in amazement at the plastic bird in what can only be defined as shear lunacy .... and the bonus? It comes with it's own perch, and it has an on-off switch when you're tired of hearing it chirp!!
What the hell? I mean, really ... 30 years ago, this might be a spoof commercial on a Saturday Night Live show ... but not today ... it's no spoof anymore .... it's the real deal. This makes the Chia-Pet look sophisticated by comparison ... because, however ridiculous that was, at least that had something actually alive growing out of it. This is targeting a market of pure low grade morons (or creating such a market) ... and because this is a televised commercial, you can bet that there will be ten's, if not hundreds of thousands of these idiotic plastic parakeets sold, at a minimum, simply to justify the costs of the advertising. This proves that our society isn't just in a state of arrested development ... it's in a severe state of intellectual attack and decline ... a severe dumbing down is occurring, and not enough people are apparently even consciously aware of the fact that they are being programmed and conditioned like Pavlov's dogs.
How does this all tie into the freebie vibrators? Simple ... that was just another public spectacle that targets the base impulses which bypass the reason center of the brain, that capitalizes on an ever increasing number of the population that no longer possess the capability of reasoned thought and response.
The common retort that many have presented here is "what business is it of others if someone wants a free vibrator"? And "what's wrong with openness about sex" ... blah, blah, blah. Well, I'll tell you .... we all have to live in this society ... and if these things are creating a society that behaves in an ever increasing impulse response mode, lacking of conscious reasoning and good judgement, it affects all of us negatively, even if the "group think crowd" is too dumbed down to realize it. That's why. To make a crude analogy ... the person with a booger hanging out of their nose doesn't realize it ... otherwise they'd do something about it, rather than walk around like that. OKAY? So, if someone said, hey .. you have something hanging out of your nose ... what would be the most logical response? Maybe check, and remove the offending matter? Or, ********* ... what's wrong with having something hanging out of your nose ... it's all quite natural you know? Because this is what is happening, in essence.
Now, I was born in the 1950's ... and you were born in the late 70's, correct? Well, I have an advantage in experiential knowledge that you don't have. When I was born, TV was a fairly new technology ... yes I'm freaking old as dirt and when I was growing up, there were 4 TV channels, in black and white! And most of the programs incorporated elements of good, honorable values .... most of those presented a theme of morality, honesty, doing the right thing, kindness and so forth. Some of it was unrealistically optimistic like "Leave it to Beaver", depicting this perfect family and raising children like Wally and Beaver, with the trouble maker neighbor kid (Eddie) that they always had to avoid following, otherwise they always found trouble. Shows like this presented a great message. Today, and really programs over the past 20 years or so present the exact opposite messages ... and the reality is, it does effect public behavior. The technology of TV actually does induce an alpha brain-wave state in the viewer, which is a state of high suggestibility that bypasses the normal reason center of the brain, and this has been known since the 1960's, and possibly earlier. (it's not a conspiracy theory). And this is the primary weapon of attack .... whether we're talking the headline news which targets the fear impulse .... the advertising which targets the impulse to consume .. or the sexually suggestive programming (about 70-80%) which targets that primitive impulse which is well known for it's ability to overpower reason And all of this programming is being done to us without the majority being consciously aware. People are literally behaving and reacting according to someone else's choices and not their own will. And it's purposely designed to be regressive, and if you were 20 years older, you'd be able to see the contrast better, because you'd have more personal experience to draw upon for comparison.
But I'll give everyone here a modern example that defies any form of reason whatsoever. Texting. Pure, idiotic, inexplicable behavior that defies reason. And now we have this new crisis of people mindlessly wrecking their cars as they attempt to drive and text at the same time! You need only be observant to witness people everywhere, glued to their cell phones, clicking away. And not just a quick message like "call home when you can" ... no ... conversations ... people will have long conversations via texting, when a simple push of a button would allow them to speak with one another. What's next on the advanced communication front? Morse Code? Are we going to de-engineer our $600 iPhones into glorified pagers?
How many people think I'm speaking latin here? I can't wait for all of the rationalizations for why people use a cell phone to text "how R U .... see you @ 7).
And Twitter ... people tweeting ... it is absolute insanity squared. And the inside secret joke shouldn't be such a secret to a person capable of thinking ... because what would you call a user of twitter? YES ... that's right .... a "T W I T". What is twit? A foolish, or silly person.
And yes, it's all of our business when we see the entire population being mentally programmed into "twits" who cannot think ... unless we can strip them of the right to vote ... to serve on juries ... to drive automobiles on our highways ... to hold public jobs ... to teach in our schools ... and any other activity to which being a non-thinking moron poses a threat to the rest of us, or is otherwise counterproductive to the advancement of our species.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it
LOL (that is a giggle of admiration at your honesty). I think your whole response above were very cute and well thought!
I will note though as someone born in the late 70s, I also only had 4 channels (3 for most of my childhood actually) but we didn't watch TV much as we spent most of our youth outside playing and in the library (and I was a poor black inner city girl).
Also that TV viewership is actually declining. A lot of my peers (late 20s through 30s) especially those with children either don't have a TV or hardly ever watch it. I rarely watch TV myself. I don't have cable and only watch 2-3 shows regularly. Most of us spend a lot of time online though.
I agree with you about texting. I hate texting and can't figure out why people just don't call someone.
I also agree on the purpose of advertising, to dumb up the populace, which is why when I do watch TV and my kids are in the room, I make it a point to act out the "subliminal message" of the commercials and TV shows most are just encouraging materialism, which has been done since advertising on TV started BTW. And I do feel that critical thinking skills in our youth are on the decline and that they should be encouraged to challenge what they see in the media and on the street in order to further their intellectual capabilities. It does frighten me, the lack of critical thinking currently in our society and the contentment with mediocrity that I see.
I don't want that for myself or my family, which is why I guess I don't see the issue of this thread as that big of a deal. We have WAY more important things to worry about versus some vibrators in regards to the things our kids may see.
My point is you cannot "limit" what children are exposed to unless they are locked up.
So your answer is, if you don't want them exposed to undesirable or negative influences, lock them up? How bout we lock up the undesirable influences instead?
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Then don't go out with your kids around adults.
Ahh yes ... the old "If you don't like my driving, stay off the sidewalk" response. Typical, and totally void of reason and legitimacy.
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I don't consider religion to be "moral." One can have ethics and morality without the influence of religion. And though I do think that sexualization of children is a worry, it is the job of the parent to bring up sex earlier so as not to make it taboo.
What? WHAT ??? Sounds like you're worrying that they aren't being sexualized at an early enough age. That is what you just said. And I couldn't more strongly or vehemently disagree. It's the exact opposite, Winston.
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Why would you consider it a departure from reality? Many Christians teach intolerance just like NOI does, even though I do see NOI as worse than most sects of Christianity. Kids, especially ones from uber, evangelical families talk about religion, ALL THE TIME! Regardless of what many conservative Christians believe, god-talk is alive and well in school, especially in regards to the children who attend church regularly. Also my kids go to a Charter school and they speak a lot about "controversial" subjects including religion and politics. They have had debates in school about religion, illegal immigration, racism/racist, prejudices, homosexuality - all sorts of things. I don't mind my kid hearing someone else's POV on anything because I feel that he should be thinking critically and questioning everything that he hears, sees or experiences, even from me, which I tell him often.
Given that the Nation of Islam has been a very militant group of outspoken racists, who's similarities more closely reflect a black version of the Ku Klux Klan, and when they aren't hating on white people or jews, they hate on the country that allows them their freedom to be so vile .... I see no rational comparison to modern Christianity .... but if you want to go back a few hundred years to the days of the "Inquisition" you might be able to find some commonality ... though I consider that a stretch .. and not a valid position.
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I don't care if my kids are religious. I know many atheist who are not like me in this regard and you may have me confused with them - those who use atheism as their own religion and try to spread atheism. I don't do that. My kids have gone to church and vacation bible school and even to mosques of regular Muslims, not NOI who I don't consider a part of Islam. My son, who is 10 has been to Buddhist temples and even a Bahai center and many sorts of churches from Catholic to Evangelical Protestant. I don't have any issue with my kids being religious and my son knows this. I don't make it a mission to indoctrinate my children with my own beliefs like religious people do.
And I agree with you that there is an "inherent psychological need" for humans to continuously believe in an higher power. I am not one of those many though. I am fine with the world the way it is and don't care about creation and am not afraid of death. I also treat people like I want to be treated and don't need to be afraid of any sort of deity in order to be respectful to others. Most religions to me, since I was a child younger than my son, have seemed like fairy tales and I have no need for them in my life. That is not to say my kids won't have that need. I would hope they don't and can be content to deal with reality in a practical way, but everyone, including my children aren't like me and I am fine with that.
Also, I am no "leftist." Don't know where you got that from just because I am non-religious. I am a moderate politically and have both left and right leanings depending on the issue.
Although I can appreciate such an unusual open mindedness uncommon to atheists in majority, label me a skeptic here. In any case, I would say that you've otherwise demonstrated a definitive and unmistakable "liberal" slant ... tending toward a hard lean. I get that impression from you, and not my imagination.
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Humanit as a whole has always been preoccupied with sex. That is nothing new. People used to just not talk about it as much but that doesn't mean they weren't using the vibrators or watching the porn. Pretty much all people like having sex, not just when they are teenagers either. I agree that adolescents have more raging hormones and may be sexually focused moreso than adults, but adults are what drive the sex industry, not teens and adults have driven the sex industry for generations, since this industry has been around.
Basically people just talk about sex more instead of just being quiet about it. That doesn't mean that anyone's mindset has changed or that adults are in a state of "arrested psychological maturity." It means that, as a society, we are evolving to actually be honest with ourselves ad admitting that we like sex and that there is nothing wrong with sex or sex toys and even discussing how some people can take sex to the extreme - like sex addicts or porn addiction.
Nonsense. The "mindset" has definitely changed. Of course people have always had and enjoyed sex. It's an inbuilt drive of all species for the purpose of propagation of the species. It is also designed to be pleasurable in order to encourage it's practice to serve that purpose. If it were unpleasant, sexual activity would be avoided and the species would die off. So, while designed for practical reasons, the act itself is enjoyable, but the drive to mate extends far beyond the sex act itself, as reflected in many species of animal who mate for life, and provide many more practical advantages and emotional comfort than simply an object to have intercourse with.
Your description of "evolution" is what I consider another evidence arguing against evolution. What you are citing is actually de-evolution, from a psychological perspective ... or what I referred to as arrested psychological maturity. The grown adult male who is driven by sexual urges similar to that of a teenager is indeed in an arrested state of development, psychologically. This is in essence the definition of sexual addiction, which can be either mild or extreme.
"Sexual Honesty" is liberal double talk for justifying a preoccupation with sex that drives this immature desire for publicly expressing it, repeatedly, as if someone on planet earth didn't already know how pleasurable sex is, or that they might need to be reminded.
It's double talk, and not at all "honest".
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More people are honest now about the good and the bad in regards human sexuality. Not talking about it and not seeing people in line for vibrators does not mean people are more mature about sex. You dont' know what kind of sexual freaks your parents or grandparents were. I have heard stories especially about my grandfather and great grandparents from older people who now will talk about things they used to not talk about. All of this is nothing new, people are just more open and honest.
Then, you have apparently acquired your "liberal" mindset regarding sex honestly ... but I can assure you, that when I was growing up ... neither my parents or grandparents had mirrors on the ceiling or "sex baskets" hanging from them. I would have noticed. But who knows ... perhaps grandpa had a fetish for leather whips and no one ever found out about it other than grandma? It's possible. And I would say that it's altogether appropriate that if such existed, it was nice and proper of them to keep it their little secret.
But let me straighten you out regarding this "Orwellian" twist on "honesty". People have never been dishonest about sex ... humans have been having sex since the very moment humans came into existence. And when a couple of humans get together for sex, one was not pulling the wool over the other's eyes about what they were doing, except maybe insofar as the commitment the other expected for the exchange, but there was no dishonesty in the act itself. It's really hard to disguise. What? Are we to believe that someone must confess to the other ... "I have to be honest with you ... I had sex with you last week .... really? Who knew"?
No, what you refer to as honesty is really just a more open and boisterous pronouncement to the world around you about your sexuality, which you then create this linkage to honesty for legitimacy. But the truth is, most people really don't want to hear about, or see it, or have it constantly played in the background and foreground like elevator music, OKAY? We don't. We've got our own sexual lives, and have no need or desire to live vicariously through yours, and your little freakish desires. Methinks it is those deep seated freakish desires you may have that compels these announcements to the world regarding your sexuality. You're just passing them off as honesty.
Now using an extreme analogy for illustrative purposes only, and not to be confused with comparing the two acts ... we all have bowl movements. Are we being less honest by not engaging in open conversation or public pronouncements or demonstrations of our elimination practices? If I should choose to start a conversation at the water fountain at work about the glorious movement I had this morning ... am I just being open and honest, or am I engaging in "Too Much Information" ? How about if I chose to have a bowl movement in the grass along side my dog when I walked her last night? Would this be just a case of me being REALLY "honest"? Or would it be viewed by others as a depraved and disgusting assault on their sensibilities, and a sign of a psychological problem I have? The answer is obvious. So no, we don't need public discourse and exchange of techniques we employ in our elimination practices, in order to be honest ... nor would doing so be a sign of "evolution".
We well adjusted folks with a sense of humility and modesty and decorum are not repressed prudes at all. We just don't care to know about your bowl movements, your masturbation practices or devices you use to "get er done" or whether you are confused about being a man or a woman, or any other personal information that is between you and those who have agreed to share these private moments with you.
We believe that keeping private matters private is a demonstration of refined behavior, as opposed to less refined behavior. Less doesn't define evolution ... less defines the absence of it.
LOL (that is a giggle of admiration at your honesty). I think your whole response above were very cute and well thought!
I will note though as someone born in the late 70s, I also only had 4 channels (3 for most of my childhood actually) but we didn't watch TV much as we spent most of our youth outside playing and in the library (and I was a poor black inner city girl).
Also that TV viewership is actually declining. A lot of my peers (late 20s through 30s) especially those with children either don't have a TV or hardly ever watch it. I rarely watch TV myself. I don't have cable and only watch 2-3 shows regularly. Most of us spend a lot of time online though.
I agree with you about texting. I hate texting and can't figure out why people just don't call someone.
I also agree on the purpose of advertising, to dumb up the populace, which is why when I do watch TV and my kids are in the room, I make it a point to act out the "subliminal message" of the commercials and TV shows most are just encouraging materialism, which has been done since advertising on TV started BTW. And I do feel that critical thinking skills in our youth are on the decline and that they should be encouraged to challenge what they see in the media and on the street in order to further their intellectual capabilities. It does frighten me, the lack of critical thinking currently in our society and the contentment with mediocrity that I see.
I don't want that for myself or my family, which is why I guess I don't see the issue of this thread as that big of a deal. We have WAY more important things to worry about versus some vibrators in regards to the things our kids may see.
Well, then you got the humor aspect, but missed the larger point. It's all associated with appealing to people's lower base level drives and impulses. That trains the mind to respond accordingly ... i.e. bypass the critical thought process as a matter of course.
Now, I don't expect everyone to get that immediately or totally understand that ... nor imply that you are less intelligent than I because you may not. This is a matter of knowledge or lack thereof, and not a measure intelligence.
It's conditioning .... brainwashing if you will ... and I avoid using that term because it invokes rejection, because most people will totally reject the idea that they can be brainwashed. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken ... and in fact, those of that mindset are the easier victims, because they don't recognize when such techniques are being employed against them. It is the recognition of it and the tactics used that defend against it's successful use. And once you are attuned to it, you cannot miss it ... it jumps out at you very clearly.
This bypassing of the reason center or critical analysis and conscious mind, literally installs ideas into the subconscious mind. And the subconscious mind does not evaluate any information it receives ... it accepts all information as is, without the filter of checking truth versus fiction ... or logic or legitimacy.
Advertisers understand this all too well, and that is why hundreds of billions are spent annually for advertising. If it didn't work, that amount of loot would never be spent, I assure you.
Just reading this first line of your post... I realize I probably haven't the time to correct the whole thing. You most certainly can limit what children are exposed to without locking them up. And even if you were right and we couldn't, don't you think that's a rather sad commentary on this would-be civilization we've built? That the only way to keep children from seeing a bunch of people carrying vibrators (Note that in this very incident, people had taken theirs out of the boxes before getting just a few blocks away) is to blindfold them when we take them anywhere?
I know, "It's no big deal if kids see vibrators", right? Well where do we draw the line, because every time I think we all agree on some elementary concept of public decency, the line gets moved
Why don't you try to find kids playing around the meat packing district 7PM at night? Littering is never a good thing, although the packaging looked pretty discreet. Can you name any children who were scarred for life by seeing an empty box on the ground?
liberals are always saying who what goes on in the bedroom is private and other people and the government should stay out of it
if that's the case why are you libs demanding the government pays for what goes on in the bedroom by giving you free birth control and then waving around your dildos in downtown NYC for all the world to see?
Wow, that was quite the off-topic rant, not to mention lumping half of the population together like we all have the same brain.
And I'll ask again, since nobody seems to know the answer - how do you know these women were all (or even majority) liberal/Dem? Yet you think WE are the ones who judge? Okay.
Why don't you try to find kids playing around the meat packing district 7PM at night? Littering is never a good thing, although the packaging looked pretty discreet. Can you name any children who were scarred for life by seeing an empty box on the ground?
I should think seeing the empty box up for grabs would be worse than seeing a closed one in someone else's possession...
Now, perhaps some people took them out of the boxes specifically so they could hide them better in their purses. If so, good for them. But leaving the boxes on the ground instead of at least throwing them in a dumpster means that they were making whatever instruction manuals (catalogs with pictures?) were in the box with the vibrator available to any kid who should happen to see it even as late as the next day.
This is all aside from the main point, however. There should've never been the need to go through all this in the first place. Will this company or any other learn a valuable lesson from what even the article describes as an "inevitable" part of giveaways? Likely not. Because they don't care about public decency or modesty; all they care about is publicity and the hope of getting more money.
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And all of this programming is being done to us without the majority being consciously aware. People are literally behaving and reacting according to someone else's choices and not their own will. And it's purposely designed to be regressive, and if you were 20 years older, you'd be able to see the contrast better, because you'd have more personal experience to draw upon for comparison.
What is twit? A foolish, or silly person. 
