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At the risk of courting Godwins law, Germany seems to be doing a fair job of recovering from its own substantial horrors and demagoguery. And perpetual cynicism may be a "safe" refuge for some, but to press the metaphor, which takes more strength & courage, daring to risk "love" again, or like the Beatles song, always sadly resigned that "you've got to hide your love away"?
Germany got its teeth kicked in twice before they learned. The Chinese are still grabbing land and bullying their neighbors.
Re Beatles: "I read the news today, oh boy."
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BTW, IMHO, am starting to see a lot of interesting stuff coming out of China these days.... and certainly some cause for optimism (however guarded)!
Share, please. The last time I was there, there still more soldiers than civilians, and very few flowers, trees, or birds. The latter, of course, because Mao had the Chinese kill them all, thus bringing about famine and the deaths of millions. Mao, as the historical record clearly shows, was a fat-assed psychopath and genocidal maniac, and the worst mass murderer in human history.
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Germany got its teeth kicked in twice before they learned. The Chinese are still grabbing land and bullying their neighbors. Re Beatles: "I read the news today, oh boy."
Share, please. The last time I was there, there still more soldiers than civilians, and very few flowers, trees, or birds. The latter, of course, because Mao had the Chinese kill them all, thus bringing about famine and the deaths of millions. Mao, as the historical record clearly shows, was a fat-assed psychopath and genocidal maniac, and the worst mass murderer in human history.
I have no doubts about Mao's crimes, nor any illusions about the ruthlessness and motivations of the current Chinese government. I also do some infrequent importing of chinese-made video security & surveillance equipment, and there's a good reason why they're the world's leading suppliers of this stuff... and it ain't just because of price! And no doubt you're also already familiar with the Communist Party's ongoing Golden Shield Project (aka, "the Great Firewall of China"), which is distressing indeed! But regardless, what do you propose we do... fight 'em, ostracize 'em, constantly nag 'em to death (from within our own glass houses)... or continue to use proper caution, while keeping the dialogue open thru trading and mutual dependencies? BTW, seems to me this is also kinda the same question at the heart of the OP, about our own divisions.
Besides, we humans always seem to dearly love projecting all our own fears and weaknesses onto other cultures, by continually demonizing them. And while I have my own prejudices and biases to be sure re: east vs west, north vs south, etc., am usually more concerned with the motivations of those folks who actually seek to cultivate and even exploit those differences and prejudices to begin with. 'Cuz whether it's Mao, Adolf, Stalin, Milosovich, Bin Laden, or even Reagan and Rove... doesn't it all really start by fanning the fears of the dreaded "Other" (who is usually just some repressed aspect of ourselves anyway)?
It could be a benefit for the South to get out from under all the D.C. induced laws againist them! But why not just throw out the new england and calinutfornia commie lovers instead?
without the water from Arizona california would be a wasteland. currently 50% of all of californias water comes from the colorado river. of which they would not be able to get from flyover country. washington ans oregon would not be able to make up even close to that difference. it still stands that california would become a wasteland without flyover country.
also, since washington state and oregon is also considered by alot to be flyover country, it still stands that california would be a desert without water from flyover country.
Complete and utter nonsense.
First off, half of the Colorado River (it being the border between the states) belongs to California, so it takes absolutely nothing from Arizona.
Secondly, your claim that California gets 50% of its water from the Colorado River is absolutely false.
That's 6.3% of its water from the Colorado River. Not 50%. Not even close to 50%. An entire order of magnitude lower than 50%.
Aside from your complete misrepresentation of the facts (or sheer ignorance -- which is it?), there's the fact that Arizona uses 2.8 million acre-feet of water from the border river shared by California and Arizona. http://www.azwaterbank.gov/Background/Updates.htm
That's half as much water as California uses... but Arizona has only 1/6th the population of California. So the per capita use of Colorado River (again, that river shared by California and Arizona -- not to mention Nevada and Utah and Colorado) water by Arizona is 3x as high as in California.
Now, what was the insipid point you were trying to make with those numbers you just made up?
The hilarious thing would be, the South would secede and still lecture us about morals.
Even though Red States have higher divorce rates, higher rates of unwed teenage pregnancies, and higher rates of porn purchases.
The ONLY thing the South succeeds at is creating minimum wage jobs with no benefits or sex industry jobs, if you have the body and lack of class to work at a fancy titi bar catering to rich 1%......LOL
Well... it can't be that bad if thousands of northern transplants keep coming down here.
They would fail, miserably. Nowadays, one cannot simply assemble an army from scratch capable of fighting off a mechanized, first world nation in a conventional war on its own turf. And sectionalism has waned since the Civil War, so I doubt that the southerners in the military would go full-retard and side with the secession, unless if they were as fanatical as the fire-eaters of the original confederacy.
On the plus side, conservatism may be severely discredited. On the minus side, thousands of people may die, and political and economic turmoil would follow. Yeah, not a good idea.
Objective?? I do not see your statements as objective. Think for a moment about the increasing industry, cities, agriculture, and even tourism the South garners. Perhaps you are basing your opinions on a small cross-section of the South or a stereotype but you insinuate that we in the South have only seen successes due to the help of other states. I consider this to be a rather short-sighted view of the South.
I really tire of these threads that do nothing more than increase prejudice and erroneous viewpoints of the South. Based on the results of this poll, it seems it is not Southerners that perpetuate the myth that we still want to secede. Shoot, I live in the one the friendliest cities in the nation. Y'all should visit sometime and see that we're a wonderful place!
You need to look at some stats. Southern states have more citizens that depend on Medicaid and more of the income of Southern state resident comes from government, and the even with this critical assistance Southern states still have higher poverty rates.
All I'm saying is take away that support and Poverty and uninsured would explode in Southern states.
Says the guy who lives in a state that fosters a dependency on the federal government.
In point of fact it's the federal government mailing out those checks. They are mostly a way of buying votes. Sadly, the taxpayers of this state have little to say about it.
You need to look at some stats. Southern states have more citizens that depend on Medicaid and more of the income of Southern state resident comes from government, and the even with this critical assistance Southern states still have higher poverty rates.
All I'm saying is take away that support and Poverty and uninsured would explode in Southern states.
Actually a lot of those living on the government dole would simply relocate to the Northern states to continue their persuit of the government handout... I know of people who left Texas years ago to move to Wisconsin, because at the time, they could get more benefits in Wisconsin. I helped them pack..
You need to look at some stats. Southern states have more citizens that depend on Medicaid and more of the income of Southern state resident comes from government, and the even with this critical assistance Southern states still have higher poverty rates.
All I'm saying is take away that support and Poverty and uninsured would explode in Southern states.
I do not in any way intend for this to be taken as racist to anyone, but whenever I see a lefty whipping on the old dumb-white-southern-redneck straw man by pointing to the high poverty rates, high welfare intake, etc, in deep southern states, I can't help but also point to the fact that the south is, well, not exactly a 100% white redneck-topia like the media stereotypes it. The south is still home to 55% of America's black population, AAs make up a good 33% of the population in Louisiana for example. And the reality is: many, many of these southern blacks are still pretty darn blue-collar and poor. Yes, many white southerners are also impoverished, but I'll bet southern whites as a whole are more well-off than southern blacks, just like they are in northern, "liberal" places like Detroit, Washington DC and Chicago. So, whenever you're using high southern poverty/illiteracy/welfare stats to bash on "those dumb southern conservative white rednecks", you're actually also putting down a lot of Democratic-voting, poor African-Americans. So much for liberal kindness, awareness and tolerance, hey?
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