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I am sure they can cut this bureaucratic crap. Looks like a program to keep government people working.
I volunteer at a place that serves food to poor people. Most have cell phones. If the government can get poor people hooked up on cell phones they can get an ID for them.
We're not talking about most.
We need just enough disenfranchised to help a little bit.
They just need 1% minority votes eliminated. They aren't asking for that much.
Organizations that want to register people to vote could always have drives to take people to get IDs.
This does seem to be where the answer is. Make getting an ID easier, that's where the pressure should be. If you don't agree then there's something else going on.
Note: I mean physically easier, not less documentation.
Then you took the trouble to pay for the ID, that you don't normally need, because you pay only in cash. with your income that's under the poverty level, while someone watched your kids?
Good for you.
If poor people can get free cell phone hook up they can get their ID. For extreme cases then I am sure the government can provide. Heck the person has to walk 10 miles to go vote so what the big deal?
If the voting place is down the road from them then the government can put the ID office down the road as well or make it the same place. A child could figure this out.
Here is my thing. You have to have all the things required to get an ID to get social security or get a social security card to get a job. Unless you are on death's door the hospital doesn't have to treat you without ID. You definately can't cash a check or get a bank account. The better answer is seeing to it that people have access to getting IDs. Organizations that want to register people to vote could always have drives to take people to get IDs.
Maybe they don't have the sense to get a job, so really don't need an ID that much? Some of them are not able to work. Where would you like this 65 year old black women in a wheel chair to work?
Perhaps you want the voter roll cut off for people that don't have the sense to work?
For myself, I'd like to create an objective civics/government test that I could pass easily and 90% of GOP voters and 60% of Dem voters would fail.
That way only the smart, informed people could vote?
They are mentally incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of another person not like themselves.
This thread wasn't started to understand why people don't have ID's but to mock them.
This right wing push to increase voter ID requirement is simply a means reduce Democratic votes.
Why wouldn't it also decrease Republican votes? Are you saying only poor Democrats can't figure out how to do things? They must be stupid? That is kind of harsh.
Why wouldn't it also decrease Republican votes? Are you saying only poor Democrats can't figure out how to do things? They must be stupid? That is kind of harsh.
Yes. I'm fully admitting that those disenfranchised would more likely to be minority, have lower IQs, and more likely to vote Democratic.
You don't need to be a brain surgeon to know the GOP despises the poorest of the poor
It may be that you have a lower IQ that you can get that this has nothing to do with the "average" IQ of "liberal" voter compared to "right wing" voter.
Based on the rest of your comment, that does not appear likely.
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Here is my thing. You have to have all the things required to get an ID to get social security or get a social security card to get a job.
Nonsense. Since the 1980s, people have been required to get SSNs at birth. That says nothing about what they might or might not have in their possession when they are 18.
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Unless you are on death's door the hospital doesn't have to treat you without ID. You definately can't cash a check or get a bank account.
Hence, the uncanny correlation between people who don't have photo IDs and people who are medically under-served or who do not have bank accounts. But in case you were unaware, under the US constitution none of those things are requirements for the franchise.
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The better answer is seeing to it that people have access to getting IDs.
An answer for what? Certainly not voter fraud. There is essentially no voter fraud in this country.
People are trying to find an issue here where none exists. It's an interesting dichotomy of narcissism and victimization. This has nothing to do with disenfranchising the poor or minority votes, and it won't. It's about voter fraud and it's the best and only way to prevent it. No one is gunning for the poor here. If you can stand in line to get a free cell phone then you can stand it line to get an ID.
If it did, Republicans would not be promoting this particular farce.
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