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Old 08-13-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Your beliefs mean nothing to me, nor those who died.. Thanks for sharing.
And your willingness to support the government in this as if they have any care in those who died is also laughable. It is funny how people are so against the government until they attack the other party and you rally behind them.

What do you think is gonna come from this political theater? Is Holder gonna go to jail? Will those families that had someone killed get anything from this? Or will the Republicans sweep them under the rug once everything is over?
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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And your willingness to support the government in this as if they have any care in those who died is also laughable. It is funny how people are so against the government until they attack the other party and you rally behind them.

What do you think is gonna come from this political theater? Is Holder gonna go to jail? Will those families that had someone killed get anything from this? Or will the Republicans sweep them under the rug once everything is over?
That makes absolutely no sense.. Where the hell is me asking for FF documents to be made public, equate to my support of the government?
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That makes absolutely no sense.. Where the hell is me asking for FF documents to be made public, equate to my support of the government?
No, you are in support of government in thinking they have any plans to do anything for the families that have lost people in this. This has nothing to do with the people that had died, the republicans care only about making the other party look bad, ie political theater and nothing more.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:40 AM
 
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So this whole thing is pointless and you guys just want to see him kicked out of office, not actually charged with criminal charges?
He deserves prison.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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He deserves prison.
Sure, if he is guilty, which is kind of up to a judge to decide that, but this is just a civil case so that isn't going to happen any time soon.
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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So let me get this straight, this civil case won't amount to much other than giving Congress a chance to say he is guilty in a civil court and maybe sue him for money....but can't actually bring him up on criminal charges.

So this whole thing is pointless and you guys just want to see him kicked out of office, not actually charged with criminal charges?

The purpose of the civil case is to have the judge weigh-in and decide if Obama's Executive Privilege power covers the 60,000 documents that he and Holder have refused to produce.

Since Executive Privilege is only supposed to be applied to matters of security and defense and not to cover-up possible wrong-doing, there's a very good chance the judge will decide that Obama has to turn over the documents.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The purpose of the civil case is to have the judge weigh-in and decide if Obama's Executive Privilege power covers the 60,000 documents that he and Holder have refused to produce.

Since Executive Privilege is only supposed to be applied to matters of security and defense and not to cover-up possible wrong-doing, there's a very good chance the judge will decide that Obama has to turn over the documents.
Seeing you aren't the judge, I guess you will just have to wait and see, but nothing is going to happen on this any time soon.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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Seeing you aren't the judge, I guess you will just have to wait and see, but nothing is going to happen on this any time soon.
But I just proved that the whole thing IS NOT POINTLESS which is what you said in which I was replying to......notice your words I quoted?:

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this civil case won't amount to much other than giving Congress a chance to say he is guilty in a civil court and maybe sue him for money

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So this whole thing is pointless
Again, the POINT is to have the judge decide if Obama's claim of Executive Privilege is valid or not.

Going on precedent, it would be rare if the judge decided in Obama's favor.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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But I just proved that the whole thing IS NOT POINTLESS which is what you said in which I was replying to......notice your words I quoted?:



Again, the POINT is to have the judge decide if Obama's claim of Executive Privilege is valid or not.

Going on precedent, it would be rare if the judge decided in Obama's favor.
No, I still stand by this being a pointless waste of time when there are much bigger issues they should be spending their time on, once those things are dealt with they can come back and take care of this one, it isn't going anywhere.

I wonder how much money they are wasting to go after this.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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No, I still stand by this being a pointless waste of time when there are much bigger issues they should be spending their time on, once those things are dealt with they can come back and take care of this one, it isn't going anywhere.

I wonder how much money they are wasting to go after this.

They've spent much less money than Democrats did over a CIA desk-worker's name being divulged.

So you don't think it's important at all to find out WHO and WHY a government program ended up with 300+ innocent Mexicans and two US Agents being killed with guns supplied by their own government.

What's really disgusting is that Brian Terry only had bean bags to defend himself with...also by order of the government.
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