Navy Seals To Obama on KIlling Bin Laden: You Didn't Do That (Whitehouse, invasion)

[burdell]

Originally Posted by jt800

I don't "hate" anyone.

I DO think John Kerry is a traitor however. He is certainly a disgrace to a Naval uniform!

The traitors are those who led us into a war of no purpose, they disgraced the offices they held.

Originally Posted by jt800

I also don't believe the war in Vietnam was "lost" by the USA or that it didn't serve a great purpose when you look at the overall history of the Cold War.

A great purpose? WHAT would that be other than making a lot of $$$ for some people?

It's alleged purpose was to keep COMMUNISM'S! spread to South Vietnam.

COMMUNISM did spread to South Vietnam and life in America went on as usual.

Apparently the stated purposed offered NO benefit to the US

Originally Posted by jt800

I never said that. I said that John Kerry couldn't have POSSIBLY witnessed all the atrocities he said were going on like it happened every day in his short time in actual combat.

IIRC correctly he didn't claim he personally witnessed everything he reported. Have anything to refute that?

Originally Posted by jt800

I PERSONALLY witnessed quite a few atrocities committed by the North Vietnamese however. No one ever mentions that.

You apparently don't read much, it's mentioned in many histories of that era.

Originally Posted by jt800

I don't recall the MILITARY PRESS stabbing us in the back???

I DO however recall seeing actual video clips of John Kerry lying before Congress.

Military press officers caused lies to be spread in the media, exactly what you accused Kerry of doing. Falsely claiming the war was going well and victory would come easily stabbed the entire country in the back, Kerry's alleged sins pale in comparison.

[jt800]

The "greater purpose" is seen in the overall history of the Cold War.

The Vietnam war was successful when viewed from a historic perspective.....

It showed the Communists that we would stand up to them at every corner when they attempted to overrun a nation of people who merely wanted peace and democracy.

It cost the Communists WAY more in terms of money and casualties than we experienced.

Korea was the fist rung in the ladder of standing up to them.
Vietnam was the second, and so on.

Eventually, the Communists realized that we would keep doing that at every rung in the ladder.

Eventually, it caused the collapse of their expansionist ways and their way of government.

[Isitmeorarethingsnuts?]

Originally Posted by trlhiker

LOL, the right is getting more and more despirate. A group of people who claim to be former Intelliegence and special forces are out to get Obama. Funny how those who were actually there haven't said a word about this. I guess they are the true Americans. Sorry but I wouldn't believe a word from soemone who claims to have inside knowledge without proof.

You mean like Harry Reid and the Romney tax joke? Could have sworn I saw posts from you saying Romney HAD to prove the accusations weren't true! My Bad.

[Zimar]

Originally Posted by jt800

The "greater purpose" is seen in the overall history of the Cold War.

The Vietnam war was successful when viewed from a historic perspective.....

It showed the Communists that we would stand up to them at every corner when they attempted to overrun a nation of people who merely wanted peace and democracy.

It cost the Communists WAY more in terms of money and casualties than we experienced.

Korea was the fist rung in the ladder of standing up to them.
Vietnam was the second, and so on.

Eventually, the Communists realized that we would keep doing that at every rung in the ladder.

Eventually, it caused the collapse of their expansionist ways and their way of government.

Are you arguing, in essence, that Vietnam was a "good" war, as in, a war of necessity? Was it really necessary to accomplish the objectives you detail above?

[jt800]

Originally Posted by Zimar

Are you arguing, in essence, that Vietnam was a "good" war, as in, a war of necessity? Was it really necessary to accomplish the objectives you detail above?

If you enjoy the fact that the Cold War has ended and that Communism is no longer on a tack to spread itself forcefully onto people who only want peace and Democracy...then I'd say it was well worth it.

Even China is taking up Capitalistic ways.

So yes, it was a triumph in the overall scheme of things.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by jt800

The "greater purpose" is seen in the overall history of the Cold War.

How the hell can you speak of a war leaving more than 58,000 Americans dead and more than 150,000 Americans wounded in the context of COLD War?

That you do says little for your credibility


In case you haven't heard, the 'Domino Theory' was pure, unadulterated, war-mongering BS other than the fact if the pizza wasn't there in 30 minutes it was free.

I've read in a number places Johnson saying he took us to war because he was afraid of appearing soft on COMMUNISM! , NOT that Vietnam represented any true threat to the American way of life. Maybe I'm just silly but I don't believe appearances is good reason for war. Vietnam was the product of sniveling McCarthyites seeing COMMUNISTS! behind every bush and not much else.

[jt800]

Originally Posted by burdell

How the hell can you speak of a war leaving more than 58,000 Americans dead and more than 150,000 Americans wounded in the context of COLD War?

That you do says little for your credibility

My credibility?

Just for reference sake.....how old were you during the Vietnam War? How much of the Cold War did you live through?

I lived through the ENTIRE Cold War.

It wasn't always just talk, but it also included actual combat too. Anyone who doesn't think the Korean Conflict and the Vietnam War weren't a part of the Cold War is highly confused.

And I think I revere those 58,000 of MY generation, some of whom I personally as a Corpsman sent home in boxes, as much if not more than you.

[helenejen]

Supposedly a non-partisan group but they want to blame the President for leaks and accuse him of bragging about getting bin Laden. I'm sure it's pure coincidence that one of the group ran unsuccessfully for Congressional seat as a Republican. Guess they didn't get the message from the Admiral:

In a "CNN interview last month . . . Admiral William McRaven, who oversaw the raid, said: 'At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden for this operation, that made the hard decisions, that was instrumental in the planning process, because I pitched every plan to him.'

Read more: Former SEALs and CIA operatives to slam Obama over leaks and bin Laden bragging | Mail Online

[banjomike]

Originally Posted by jt800

The "greater purpose" is seen in the overall history of the Cold War.

The Vietnam war was successful when viewed from a historic perspective.....

It showed the Communists that we would stand up to them at every corner when they attempted to overrun a nation of people who merely wanted peace and democracy.

It cost the Communists WAY more in terms of money and casualties than we experienced.

Korea was the fist rung in the ladder of standing up to them.
Vietnam was the second, and so on.

Eventually, the Communists realized that we would keep doing that at every rung in the ladder.

Eventually, it caused the collapse of their expansionist ways and their way of government.

What?
Viet Nam taught every 3rd world country, Communist or not, that if they persisted and endured, they could kick our ass.
Korea showed us the inerent dangers, but Nam was the death of the domino theory. We learned a very hard lesson that what worked in Europe didn't work in S.E. Asia. The Domino Theory is a perfect example of conservative lumpage. A good policy in one area is never a good policy everywhere. That would seem to be a simple lesson, but here we are, 50 years later, with over 50,000 lives wasted, and people still clinging to John Foster Dulles' ancient myth.

[14Bricks]

Most people in the military don't like Obama or democrats. The military leans to the right. And yes it was shameful of him to take credit for political purposes.