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Wow, words in all caps, how exciting. My opinion comes from actual real world experience in crowd control, pepper spray, Tasers, people that are incapacitated and yes, agitated dogs too. What do you base your opinions on? What's your actual experience in situations like this? Serious question, not trying to be a smarta**.
All caps just for clarification.
Okay. This is the first time you've mentioned your real world experience.
So you really cannot think of a better way to have handled that situation from the very beginning than the way those cops handled it? With your experience in crowd control, why do you think it was possible to move the crowd back away from the man, substantially away from the man, after they shot the dog and the crowd was getting upset, yet it was not possible to do that early on so that the dog did not become upset and sufficient space was provided for the man and the dog?
My opinion is based on what I saw in the video. I saw the cops moving the crowd back, far back, away from the man AFTER they shot the dog. If they had done that initially when they arrived, it certainly seems feasible that the dog would have been just fine that no one was threatening its owner. Apparently the dog had not attacked anyone PRIOR to the arrival of the police even though the man was passed out before the police arrived. The cop made a big mistake charging up on the dog the way he did. He threatened the dog and obviously the dog thought he was threatening its owner.
Okay. This is the first time you've mentioned your real world experience.
So you really cannot think of a better way to have handled that situation from the very beginning than the way those cops handled it? With your experience in crowd control, why do you think it was possible to move the crowd back away from the man, substantially away from the man, after they shot the dog and the crowd was getting upset, yet it was not possible to do that early on so that the dog did not become upset and sufficient space was provided for the man and the dog?
The primary objective is the guy on the ground, not the dog. The Police need to get to the that guy, as soon as possible. As bad as it sounds, the dog is secondary.
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My opinion is based on what I saw in the video. I saw the cops moving the crowd back, far back, away from the man AFTER they shot the dog. If they had done that initially when they arrived, it certainly seems feasible that the dog would have been just fine that no one was threatening its owner. Apparently the dog had not attacked anyone PRIOR to the arrival of the police even though the man was passed out before the police arrived. The cop made a big mistake charging up on the dog the way he did. He threatened the dog and obviously the dog thought he was threatening its owner.
The crowd was moved back because once an Officer fires his/her weapon, that whole scene changes. Detectives are called in, measurements have to be taken, ballistics, it's a whole big production. You have to keep everyone away from that scene (except emergency personnel) so that it can be investigated without outside interference. As a police officer, if you fire your gun, even if you miss, it's an automatic three days off, Internal Affairs is contacted, all kinds of crap goes on, it's a big deal.
I know that it was mentioned before "why didn't the cops render aid right after the dog was shot?", I wasn't there and can only give an educated guess, odds are, EMS was staging, probably a block away. In a situation like this, EMS/Fire will not enter a scene until all law enforcement actions are concluded. Why? because if they show up while everything is still going down, they could get hurt too, which makes them useless to everybody. They will not come on to a hot scene unless it is a HUGE event. they wait until the Police say the scene is safe, then they come in.
The primary objective is the guy on the ground, not the dog. The Police need to get to the that guy, as soon as possible. As bad as it sounds, the dog is secondary.
The crowd was moved back because once an Officer fires his/her weapon, that whole scene changes. Detectives are called in, measurements have to be taken, ballistics, it's a whole big production. You have to keep everyone away from that scene (except emergency personnel) so that it can be investigated without outside interference. As a police officer, if you fire your gun, even if you miss, it's an automatic three days off, Internal Affairs is contacted, all kinds of crap goes on, it's a big deal.
I know that it was mentioned before "why didn't the cops render aid right after the dog was shot?", I wasn't there and can only give an educated guess, odds are, EMS was staging, probably a block away. In a situation like this, EMS/Fire will not enter a scene until all law enforcement actions are concluded. Why? because if they show up while everything is still going down, they could get hurt too, which makes them useless to everybody. They will not come on to a hot scene unless it is a HUGE event. they wait until the Police say the scene is safe, then they come in.
Well, that all sounds reasonable.
However, I'm still stuck on why the police didn't think to clear the area for the man's safety when they first arrived. Clearing the area would have not only been better for the man but for the dog as well. It would have provided clear and safe access for the EMTs. It would have given police an opportunity to adequately determine the risk the dog presented and to remove the dog safely in order to provide safe access for the EMTs.
I understand now why they moved everyone back AFTER the shooting, and that makes perfect sense. Of course, the crowd moved back really easily and I think they would have been easily moved back prior to the shooting at well.
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