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Old 08-23-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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This is just stupid. Your argument is just like the anti gun people in the theater shooting. You are trying to blame the gun dealer. What does it matter how or where they got the gun? You keep this up and you are going to lose your gun nut card. Guns don't kill; criminals kill. And criminals will always find a way to get a gun. Just like a Republican millionaire will always find a way to cheat on his taxes.
What matters is that people besides Holder know everything that happened and how it was dealt with. What matters is that these documents get released to prove that Holder and the DOJ can be trusted.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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They were defending Holder and the DOJ.

Hypocrites.
Gees don't take a genuis or rocket scientist to figure that one out. Can't see it, you don't want to see it. Yes they were defending good old boy Holder and the rotten DOJ.
Who do you think they are defending, isn't it obvious.

Yep a pack of Hypocrites, and take the dang bias media with them.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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Obama has executive privilege and is the object of a politically motivated attack. The real question is what is Romney hiding? The public has a right to know if he is a felon. Why won't he release his tax records?
Please explain how Fast and Furious comes under National Security.

"The Supreme Court confirmed the legitimacy of this doctrine in United States v. Nixon, but only to the extent of confirming that there is a qualified privilege. Once invoked, a presumption of privilege is established, requiring the Prosecutor to make a "sufficient showing" that the "Presidential material" is "essential to the justice of the case."(418 U.S. at 713-14). Chief Justice Burger further stated that executive privilege would most effectively apply when the oversight of the executive would impair that branch's national security concerns.

Executive privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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Those same wingnuts that are so grasping at Fast and Furious (because an American Citizen was murdered) either don't know or have not even the same feelings for the Pat Tillman crap that Bush lied about.
Hypocrites, just go away.
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Nobody cares about "Fast and Furious" except a few deranged wingnut teabaggers who listen to Glenn Beck and who still think Obama has a fake birth certificate.
And the late Brian Terry's next of kin.

They'd like to know.

And the next of kin of the 100-plus Mexican citizens also killed with the guns Obama illegally let go across the border to the drug cartels.

They'd like to know, too.

But the liberals keep telling us these people don't matter. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right?

Gunrunner chief: “if you are going to make an omelette, you need to scramble some eggs” « America's Watchtower

So, where ARE the documents?

And why are they being concealed?
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Pa
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ATF gunrunning into Mexico began during the Dumbya Bush years. Of course, Glen Becktards will find a way to blame Obama for that too.
If Bush is guilty then he should be held accountable as well. Of course we don't know and won't until those documents are released.
The argument could be made that it is classified information. The counter argument would be that information that is classified hasn't stopped the Obama admin from releasing it in the past.
As far as Romney's Tax returns that someone mentioned. There are threads available to talk about those. I for one am less interested in tax returns than I am in the misdeeds of our elected reps.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Obama has executive privilege and is the object of a politically motivated attack. The real question is what is Romney hiding? The public has a right to know if he is a felon. Why won't he release his tax records?
He has released classified information when it suits his needs. Why not now?
As for Romney's tax returns. If he was a felon Obama and company would have found a way to release that information just as they release other things that is supposed to be classified.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Just a thought on the Fast and Furious records being opened, ever thought that there still may be informers and agents working in Mexico that would be killed if all the records were released, we know Congress cannot keep their mouths shut so if the names or detailed information got out they would be dead men and women.
Should some of the records be released, sure, and I believe they will be, but covert ops do not stop once a particular mission is ended. Yes there were Huge mistakes made, but like it or not the Presdient was not the one who made them.
I would say the mistake made here is minor compared to invading a Nation on the fear they had WMD's and we discover they really did not, how many Americans, Allies and Iraqis died because of that screw up.
Mittens release his taxes yet? I am interested to know what HE is hidding, it must be real juicy to avoid it this long, no Mittens, this will not go away.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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ATF gunrunning into Mexico began during the Dumbya Bush years. Of course, Glen Becktards will find a way to blame Obama for that too.
Can liberals EVER address an issue without reciting blatant lies like this one?

In the Bush years, they let the illegal gun buyers get as far as the parking lot of the gun shop... and then swooped in and busted them and threw them in jail. (And took back the guns.)

In the Obama years, they just told them "Ta-ta!', and let them take thousand of illegally-purchased guns to Mexico and distribute them to drug cartel gunmen and kingpins, without even trying to keep track of them or arrest anybody.

Hundreds of people (including U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry) have been murdered with the guns Obama let run freely across the border.

Zero people have been murdered with the guns Bush let go - because he didn't let any go.

Go ahead, liberals. Keep trying to change the subject to George W Bush, as usual. Here, you will get the comparison rammed down your throats every time... as you deserve.
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Just a thought on the Fast and Furious records being opened, ever thought that there still may be informers and agents working in Mexico that would be killed if all the records were released, we know Congress cannot keep their mouths shut so if the names or detailed information got out they would be dead men and women.
And this would be different from the present situation how...??

Hundreds of men and women have already been killed and injured by the guns Obama released to run across the Mexican border, uincluding U.S. Border Patrol Brian Terry.

So bring those remaining agnts home, give the foreign citizens asylum here, and then bring out the records.

Or do you want people to just keep getting killed?
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